"``He started yelling, `I don't accept this ticket!' He had a Venti-sized cup of black coffee in his hand, and he flung it right in my face,'' said Noviello..." http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=64590 I'm surprised she knew what size coffee was thrown at her..
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I guess if she's working the meters in the Back Bay she better know the lingo of the place.
By jonallen - Jan 21, 2005, 1:41 PM Post #3 of 18 [In reply to]
Police often have to drink coffee in order to do their job, even meter maids. Starbucks has been using the "Venti" size designation for quite a while now. I am not in least surprised that she knew what size coffee was thrown at her. What surprises me is that this hulk of a man was such a cowardly idiot as to make that dangerous move. I think that additional charges might well be brought against this guy (including suing the pants off him)..
"I think that additional charges might well be brought against this guy (including suing the pants off him).. " I hope so... I wouldn't have noticed the size of the coffee if it happened to me...
By eeka - Jan 21, 2005, 2:01 PM Post #5 of 18 [In reply to]
"Starbucks employees rushed out of the store with wet cloths to soothe the burns, as cops arrested Youhanna for assault and battery with a deadly weapon, the hot coffee, which is a felony." Starbucks employees are caring and considerate people!
I'd rather hit the guy w/ something other than a hot cup of coffee.
By adamg - Jan 21, 2005, 2:47 PM Post #7 of 18 [In reply to]
A cowardly idiot who runs some sort of security outfit out of his house - yeah, I'm sure the cops will be looking forward to working with him in the future (and a fairly large security outfit, based on the number of employees who won a back-wages complaint against him in 1998).
perhaps that's how he paid for the Hummer...
By Comm. Ave - Jan 21, 2005, 4:26 PM Post #9 of 18 [In reply to]
I can see aggravated assault or something like that, but hot coffee is a deadly weapon?
By adamg - Jan 21, 2005, 4:31 PM Post #10 of 18 [In reply to]
The woman had first-degree burns on her face ...
By Sparky - Jan 21, 2005, 4:35 PM Post #11 of 18 [In reply to]
There's no way that would hold up in court. First there's no warning label on the cup explaining that it's a weapon. Secondly unless you're required by law to have a coffee cup holder's license that's a lot to expect of the average civilian to know, cops would be a different matter, so the case might get thrown out right there. Then there the issue of requiring a three day waiting period to buy a cup of coffee, would you have to get a background check each & every time you bought a cup or would a one time background check cover a person for one year? Do we really want to go down this road? November 1978 ~ Democrats drinking the Kool-Aid ~ November 2008 "Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" "Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Sarah"
By adamg - Jan 21, 2005, 4:41 PM Post #12 of 18 [In reply to]
Oooh, right-wing humor!
By eeka - Jan 21, 2005, 8:56 PM Post #13 of 18 [In reply to]
Very hot water is considered a deadly weapon, as having burns over 11% or more of the body causes death in a goodly amount of cases. I've had kids in hospitals or residential programs toss water at people and be charged with ADW.
By Sparky - Jan 21, 2005, 10:04 PM Post #14 of 18 [In reply to]
Step away from the bubblah & put your hands up!
By tblade - Jan 22, 2005, 5:15 PM Post #15 of 18 [In reply to]
I don't see a warning label on the side of my claw hammer, either. But I imagine that it would sink into someone's skull with enough force. Look, as long as one isn't assaulting people with any type of weapon, then there is no need to worry if it is considered a 'deadly weapon'. If he is man enough to throw hot coffee in a woman's face he should be man enough to face the judge and jury. Regardless of what happens in the criminal case, I hope the meter maid gets enough to make a good retirement for herself. Out of all the suck jobs to have, and then to get coffee in her face...
By Comm. Ave - Jan 22, 2005, 9:10 PM Post #16 of 18 [In reply to]
I guess that makes sense. But there are few things that can't be a deadly weapon if used with intent to harm and malice. I think this guy is scum, and should be put away, but I was just surprised to see the coffee listed as a deadly weapon. I didn't realize it worked that way. So if you hit someone with a gallon of milk, which can certainly cause death if the blow is struck correctly, but they simply bruise their shoulder or whatever, does that count? I'm not being a jackass, I am curious. I thought it had more to do with the weapon of choice than the possiblility of death.
By eeka - Jan 22, 2005, 9:50 PM Post #17 of 18 [In reply to]
Yeah, it's whether it's generally known that you can kill someone with it without a WHOLE lot of force. i.e., the serious injuries are caused primarily by the weapon, not the manner in which it's used. Strangling someone with a rope, not usually ADW. You can strangle someone with your hands or with just about anything else, and you gotta apply force. Most items though, when tossed at someone's face, don't cause serious injury. Very hot liquid does. It was the choice of object that made it assault. Tossing an empty cup would be nothing more than misdemeanor harrassment or public annoyance or something.
"I don't see a warning label on the side of my claw hammer, either." there are warnings on coffee cups, "warning the beverage you are about to enjoy is extremely hot". The people who brew the coffee have been found responsible for having their coffee too hot, I'd imagine that the companies that make tools aren't as responsible because the tools are designed to be destructive & strong, so it would be the operator's responsibility if they used them in a way they weren't intended.
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