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Re: polygamist raid

By Fred Sennott - Apr 29, 2008, 8:55 PM
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How reliable is this information ,I didn't see Sonia2's imprimature on it anywhere?
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Re: polygamist raid

By AmeriKenArtist - Apr 30, 2008, 3:58 PM
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Seems sophomoric to me.

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Re: polygamist raid

By sonia2 - May 22, 2008, 2:00 PM
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Appeals Court Overturns Sect Custody Decision

Child welfare officials had no right to seize hundreds of
children from the polygamist sect, a Texas appellate court
ruled.

Read More:
http://www.nytimes.com/?emc=na

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Re: polygamist raid

By Fred Sennott - May 22, 2008, 8:25 PM
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But they didn't make them give them back.Wanna bet that they keep them?
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Re: polygamist raid

By Sarcastic Sam - May 23, 2008, 10:06 AM
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I'm completely for giving the kids back to their mothers. It's the men guilty of rape and child abuse who should be kept in jail, away from these kids.
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Re: polygamist raid

By sonia2 - May 23, 2008, 10:55 AM
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It's the men guilty of rape and child abuse who should be kept in jail


no one has been found guilty of anything!
Several of the girls that the state said were underage mothers, have been found to be over 21.

"The decision was another setback for Texas officials, who in recent days have conceded that at least 15 of the young mothers the state initially had detained as child brides are in fact adults. One turned out to be 27 years old."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-polygamist_sect_23may23,0,2065373.story


The raid on Yearning for Zion, the polygamist compound in Texas, made international news amid accusations of underage marriage, child abuse, and religious persecution. Hundreds of children have undergone DNA testing and been relocated to foster homes as the case unfolds.

But one little detail has been largely forgotten: The raid ­— resulting in the largest child custody case in American history — was based on a lie.

Today, a Texas appeals court threw the case out, ruling that the state had no right to take more than 400 children from the sect's ranch.

http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/080522-polygamy-case.html

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Re: polygamist raid

By Sarcastic Sam - May 23, 2008, 3:43 PM
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It's the men guilty of rape and child abuse who should be kept in jail


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no one has been found guilty of anything!


I didn't mean to say that they had.... of course nobody's been found guilty. The way our justice system works, they'll all be over 65, collecting social security before the legal processes and appeals are over. In the meantime...if they're underage, been knocked up by relatives, have been abused and confused so much that they can't even point out their own fathers in a lineup...something smells bad. IMO they can live with their mothers, but not with any male adult relative from that compound until this is sorted out.

Call me an overprotective asshole but that's how I feel.



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Several of the girls that the state said were underage mothers, have been found to be over 21.


Then, whoever lied about it needs to be disciplined, this doesn't mean the true minors (if there are any) should be placed back in custody of the suspected abusers/rapists.

Now who knows, the authorities may have been lying about this too. If so, they must have gone to the same Texas Governmental School of Forcibly Doing Stuff Unconstitutionally Because They Really Have A Hunch About This and Those Are Bad People Anyway as President Bush.

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Re: polygamist raid

By Dave - May 23, 2008, 5:55 PM
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Now who knows, the authorities may have been lying about this too. If so, they must have gone to the same Texas Governmental School of Forcibly Doing Stuff Unconstitutionally Because They Really Have A Hunch About This and Those Are Bad People Anyway as President Bush. I'm surprised they didn't burn them to the ground like President Clinton's Justice Department.

FTFY

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Re: polygamist raid

By Fred Sennott - May 23, 2008, 8:20 PM
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Because they aren't a bunch of nutcake liberals ala Reno.
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Re: polygamist raid

By Sarcastic Sam - May 23, 2008, 11:57 PM
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Now who knows, the authorities may have been lying about this too. If so, they must have gone to the same Texas Governmental School of Forcibly Doing Stuff Unconstitutionally Because They Really Have A Hunch About This and Those Are Bad People Anyway as President Bush. I'm surprised they didn't burn them to the ground like President Clinton's Justice Department.

FTFY




Hmmm. Thanks Dave for FTFM....well, I do admit that the Reno method *does* resolve the situation quickly without all that dragged out legal posturing stuff. And we all know that the Branch Davidians started that fire and shot each other, right?
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Re: polygamist raid

By sonia2 - May 24, 2008, 1:58 AM
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But they didn't make them give them back.Wanna bet that they keep them?


Susan Hays, a lawyer in Dallas who specializes in appellate law and who is the lawyer for a 2-year-old taken from the ranch, said the children might begin returning home as early as next week.

“Right now, there is an order saying return the children,” Ms. Hays said. “It technically does not apply to all the women’s children. But practically it does.”

She said the state would have to file a motion for emergency release quickly that asks the court to stay the order.

“If they don’t,” Ms. Hays said, “then we’re done. The children could be returned as soon as next week, or not depending on what happens with the high court.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/23/us/23raid.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

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Re: polygamist raid

By sonia2 - May 24, 2008, 2:10 AM
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But they didn't make them give them back.


they've started to!
you would have lost the bet:

"Child welfare officials have agreed to return 12 children taken from a polygamist sect's ranch to their parents while the courts weigh hundreds of other cases, a family spokeswoman said Friday."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/23/flds.next/index.html

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Re: polygamist raid

By sonia2 - May 29, 2008, 7:06 PM
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But they didn't make them give them back.Wanna bet that they keep them?


SAN ANTONIO - In a crushing blow to the state's massive seizure of children from a polygamist sect's ranch, the Texas Supreme Court ruled Thursday that child welfare officials overstepped their authority and the children should go back to their parents.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24878696/?GT1=43001

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Re: polygamist raid

By Sarcastic Sam - Jun 2, 2008, 10:23 AM
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.... the Texas Supreme Court ruled Thursday that child welfare officials overstepped their authority and the children should go back to their parents.


Does this mean that they actually figured out who their parents are (the kids couldn't even say for sure when initially interviewed)? And did they announce the DNA test results?
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Re: polygamist raid

By sonia2 - Jun 2, 2008, 10:51 AM
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they stopped the dna testing - it's not warranted - the kids were taken illegally, so they parents (actually just the mothers), get them back after signing paperwork.

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Re: polygamist raid

By sonia2 - Jun 2, 2008, 10:53 AM
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Breaking News:A Texas judge today signed an order returning more than 440 children seized from a polygamist sect to their parents.

check cnn for the details, this is breaking news now.
probably by tomorrow, all 440 kids will be at home.

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Re: polygamist raid

By Sarcastic Sam - Jun 2, 2008, 12:36 PM
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they stopped the dna testing - it's not warranted - the kids were taken illegally, so they parents (actually just the mothers), get them back after signing paperwork.


"actually just the mothers"...good. that's the smart thing to do.

Although I did read an article that said DNA testing had commenced....but didn't mention results. Another article said that some of the fathers had mysteriously disappeared from the compound, presumably to avoid prosecution pending the DNA results.
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Re: polygamist raid

By sonia2 - Jun 3, 2008, 1:12 PM
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Strange how much the Texas raid of a polygamist ranch resembles the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Just as American leaders seemed certain that Iraqis would gratefully embrace us for deposing Saddam Hussein, the Texas authorities seemed to expect dozens of newly freed girls to come forward complaining that they had been forced into sex and detained against their wills. In the weeks after the raid, the Texas officials seemed to launch their own search for weapons of mass destruction — or in this case, mass molestation of young girls — that were never found. Instead they'd trumpet whatever else they could find — oh, here's an underage mother. Except, as it turned out, many of those weren't underage. Even if they had been, teen mothers hold little shock value for society these days...

Problem is, what exactly are marriage and polygamy these days? The men don't appear to have been marrying girls in the legal sense of the word; the group calls the multiple relationships "spiritual marriages," and certainly we all know of such spiritual marriages by different words in ordinary society. How many men have children by multiple women, never marrying any of them? The only polygamists these days are the few who hide their marital status from a woman and take out a second marriage license. They're so rare, they're almost quaint...

http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2008/06/polygamy-aint-w.html

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