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What's All the Hubbub?

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By Sparky - Jul 26, 2007, 7:59 PM
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Hubbub - old celtic word used by early New Englanders to describe Native American gambling.

So should Massachusetts allow casino gambling?

Should it be opened to other groups other than just Indian tribes?

Should current racetracks be allowed to expand their operations to include slots?

How about limiting it to just the Cape or Islands to maintain tourism there?

How about one of the Boston Harbor islands like Long Island?

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 26, 2007, 8:35 PM
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I think it is inevitable.whether we like it or not its coming.My only problem is who is going to control it and set the rules.I don't trust the current administratiomn at all.If there is going to be one in Boston Long Island is a logical location.The race tracks are one place I wouldn't want to see any expansion,mostly because of the backgrounds of some of the owners,plus none of them have sufficient room for parking..
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 26, 2007, 9:06 PM
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I like the Long Island idea myself or somewhere mid-Cape.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 26, 2007, 10:24 PM
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Unless they tear down the Bourne and Sagamore Bridges and build ones with wider lanes, the Cape can't handle that kind of tourism increase. The fly-over only helps with traffic coming from the north, not west/south, which have to still go over the Bourne bridge or down the senic highway. There would have to be a lot that happens to make that feasible.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By eeka - Jul 27, 2007, 12:37 PM
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I like the Long Island idea myself or somewhere mid-Cape.


Where would you put it on Long Island?

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Ron Newman - Jul 27, 2007, 1:18 PM
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Montauk.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By eeka - Jul 27, 2007, 1:39 PM
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Not thaaaat Long Island!

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 27, 2007, 8:22 PM
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Oh you mean the real long Island in Boston Harbor.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 28, 2007, 8:46 AM
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Unless they tear down the Bourne and Sagamore Bridges and build ones with wider lanes, the Cape can't handle that kind of tourism increase. The fly-over only helps with traffic coming from the north, not west/south, which have to still go over the Bourne bridge or down the senic highway. There would have to be a lot that happens to make that feasible.


How many times over the years have we heard the Cape had a bad year due to weather, the high price of fuel, Foxwoods, etc?

Now it faces a casino just off Cape in Middleborough, how much money will that divert off Cape? Even if the Middleborough scheme is shot down there are other proposals in RI which will divert vacationers.

I think a casino or a series of smaller ones make sense for the Cape and maybe the Islands.

As for the bridges, why knock 'em down? Wouldn't it make more sense to add two additional ones, sistered up to the existing?

Would it make more sense to beef up the rail line, add more, add ferry boats, etc?

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 28, 2007, 9:56 AM
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And where are they going to put parking lots for more rail service? Any idea how long it takes fr the rail bridge to come down and be put back up, and for a train to actually get over it? Where would they build these extra bridges? Where would they even put a casino? There's a finite amount of room down here, and especially it the mid-Cape area, it's pretty full.

Were you under the impression that anyone from the Cape was unhappy that the Casino wasn't going to be built down here? I've gotten the distinct impression that no one wants it here.

It's a moot point anyways.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 28, 2007, 8:17 PM
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Theres lots of vacant land for parking lots.A rail bridge doesn't necessarily go up and down lots of them such as the ones over the Mississippi are high enough for ships to pass under them.
I haven't seen any imput from the Cape saying one way or the other.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 28, 2007, 8:34 PM
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In Middleboro:

2,387 For

1,335 Against

The People have spoken, why does the Carpetbagger remain silent?

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 28, 2007, 8:48 PM
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Because "together we can" and once he figures out what that means he'll make a statement.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 28, 2007, 8:56 PM
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Because "together we can" and once he figures out what that means he'll make a statement.


Just seems fishy imho.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 28, 2007, 9:47 PM
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Perhaps the Sacred Cod has been allowed to spoil.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 29, 2007, 8:07 AM
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They say fish rot from the head down.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 29, 2007, 9:06 AM
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Theres lots of vacant land for parking lots.A rail bridge doesn't necessarily go up and down lots of them such as the ones over the Mississippi are high enough for ships to pass under them.


Good point Fred, I'm not sure if the Cape needs new bridges for autos but it certainly could use rail service.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 29, 2007, 9:18 AM
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Rail service from the Cape was suspended years ago because not enough people used it. In the places where there are parking lots for former rail service, the lots are woefully too small to be used as commuter lots. Public transportation on the Cape is inadequate. The bridges are a full 8 feet narrower than they should be to accommodate modern vehicles. All of this is talked about in the Cape Cod Times on a regular basis. Shockingly, "OMG WE WANT THE CASINO HERE" is not. When word was that the tribe would get its recognition, it was more "don't worry, we're not going to try and squeeze a casino in on Cape."

But Sparky and Fred think it's a good idea, so apparently the people who live and work here are wrong.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 29, 2007, 11:12 AM
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But Sparky and Fred think it's a good idea, so apparently the people who live and work here are wrong.


Why must you paint every topic as you vs ................Fred and Sparky or anyone who happens to disagree with you?

The question is being asks throughout the Commonwealth, I suggested the Cape & some of the Boston Islands as potential locations.

Since Middleborough has overwhelmingly voted that they would like to proceed, and IF the plan goes forward, the next question that MUST be asked is "How will that effect the rest of the Commonwealth?".

My personal preference is to allow gambling in the state.

I think Long Island would be the ideal location for a casino because it can be accessed by both bridge and ferry.

A second scenerio that I think deserves consideration is allowing gambling throughout the Cape, in smaller venues, to induce tourism.

Why don't you deal with that instead of your personal attacks?


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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By eeka - Jul 29, 2007, 11:55 AM
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I think Long Island would be the ideal location for a casino because it can be accessed by both bridge and ferry.


Where would you put it? Not a lot of vacant land there.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 29, 2007, 3:29 PM
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Actually you could tear down the under utilized existing structures that are falling down due to neglect.Then you would have the whole Island.Large parking lots wouldn't be needed as many patrons would come by ferry.The beaches could be upgraded and it would be the perfect resort right in the Boston Harbor.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 29, 2007, 5:59 PM
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As usual Fred you are spot on. Maintaining a prime real estate location as a pigsty just doesn't make sense.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 29, 2007, 6:01 PM
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But that's not what you said before. Small-scale gambling throughout the Cape would be fine, but that's not what the tribe has in mind, so it's a moot point. A full-scale resort casino Mid-Cape is totally inappropriate and we don't want it. I don't speak for the entire Cape, but I don't know a single person here who would support that.

Deal with either realizing that other people can't read your mind to know that you meant something different than what you actually said.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 29, 2007, 6:13 PM
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Deal with either realizing that other people can't read your mind to know that you meant something different than what you actually said.


This is supposed to be a conversation, I think posters should have room to explain their point of view(s), thoughts, throughout a thread instead of being beaten down after the first post.

To date the Governor hasn't even made any comment on the subject.

Go bitch at him.


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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 29, 2007, 7:09 PM
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Considering that the governor can't just decide to put a casino here, I don't see how bitching at him would do any good. Unless of course he's the one that controls your behavior.

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