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What's All the Hubbub?


By Sparky - Jul 26, 2007, 7:59 PM
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Hubbub - old celtic word used by early New Englanders to describe Native American gambling.

So should Massachusetts allow casino gambling?

Should it be opened to other groups other than just Indian tribes?

Should current racetracks be allowed to expand their operations to include slots?

How about limiting it to just the Cape or Islands to maintain tourism there?

How about one of the Boston Harbor islands like Long Island?

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 26, 2007, 8:35 PM
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I think it is inevitable.whether we like it or not its coming.My only problem is who is going to control it and set the rules.I don't trust the current administratiomn at all.If there is going to be one in Boston Long Island is a logical location.The race tracks are one place I wouldn't want to see any expansion,mostly because of the backgrounds of some of the owners,plus none of them have sufficient room for parking..
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 26, 2007, 9:06 PM
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I like the Long Island idea myself or somewhere mid-Cape.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 26, 2007, 10:24 PM
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Unless they tear down the Bourne and Sagamore Bridges and build ones with wider lanes, the Cape can't handle that kind of tourism increase. The fly-over only helps with traffic coming from the north, not west/south, which have to still go over the Bourne bridge or down the senic highway. There would have to be a lot that happens to make that feasible.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By eeka - Jul 27, 2007, 12:37 PM
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I like the Long Island idea myself or somewhere mid-Cape.


Where would you put it on Long Island?

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Ron Newman - Jul 27, 2007, 1:18 PM
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Montauk.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By eeka - Jul 27, 2007, 1:39 PM
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Not thaaaat Long Island!

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 27, 2007, 8:22 PM
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Oh you mean the real long Island in Boston Harbor.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 28, 2007, 8:46 AM
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Unless they tear down the Bourne and Sagamore Bridges and build ones with wider lanes, the Cape can't handle that kind of tourism increase. The fly-over only helps with traffic coming from the north, not west/south, which have to still go over the Bourne bridge or down the senic highway. There would have to be a lot that happens to make that feasible.


How many times over the years have we heard the Cape had a bad year due to weather, the high price of fuel, Foxwoods, etc?

Now it faces a casino just off Cape in Middleborough, how much money will that divert off Cape? Even if the Middleborough scheme is shot down there are other proposals in RI which will divert vacationers.

I think a casino or a series of smaller ones make sense for the Cape and maybe the Islands.

As for the bridges, why knock 'em down? Wouldn't it make more sense to add two additional ones, sistered up to the existing?

Would it make more sense to beef up the rail line, add more, add ferry boats, etc?

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 28, 2007, 9:56 AM
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And where are they going to put parking lots for more rail service? Any idea how long it takes fr the rail bridge to come down and be put back up, and for a train to actually get over it? Where would they build these extra bridges? Where would they even put a casino? There's a finite amount of room down here, and especially it the mid-Cape area, it's pretty full.

Were you under the impression that anyone from the Cape was unhappy that the Casino wasn't going to be built down here? I've gotten the distinct impression that no one wants it here.

It's a moot point anyways.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 28, 2007, 8:17 PM
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Theres lots of vacant land for parking lots.A rail bridge doesn't necessarily go up and down lots of them such as the ones over the Mississippi are high enough for ships to pass under them.
I haven't seen any imput from the Cape saying one way or the other.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 28, 2007, 8:34 PM
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In Middleboro:

2,387 For

1,335 Against

The People have spoken, why does the Carpetbagger remain silent?

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 28, 2007, 8:48 PM
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Because "together we can" and once he figures out what that means he'll make a statement.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 28, 2007, 8:56 PM
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Because "together we can" and once he figures out what that means he'll make a statement.


Just seems fishy imho.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 28, 2007, 9:47 PM
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Perhaps the Sacred Cod has been allowed to spoil.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 29, 2007, 8:07 AM
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They say fish rot from the head down.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 29, 2007, 9:06 AM
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Theres lots of vacant land for parking lots.A rail bridge doesn't necessarily go up and down lots of them such as the ones over the Mississippi are high enough for ships to pass under them.


Good point Fred, I'm not sure if the Cape needs new bridges for autos but it certainly could use rail service.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 29, 2007, 9:18 AM
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Rail service from the Cape was suspended years ago because not enough people used it. In the places where there are parking lots for former rail service, the lots are woefully too small to be used as commuter lots. Public transportation on the Cape is inadequate. The bridges are a full 8 feet narrower than they should be to accommodate modern vehicles. All of this is talked about in the Cape Cod Times on a regular basis. Shockingly, "OMG WE WANT THE CASINO HERE" is not. When word was that the tribe would get its recognition, it was more "don't worry, we're not going to try and squeeze a casino in on Cape."

But Sparky and Fred think it's a good idea, so apparently the people who live and work here are wrong.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 29, 2007, 11:12 AM
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But Sparky and Fred think it's a good idea, so apparently the people who live and work here are wrong.


Why must you paint every topic as you vs ................Fred and Sparky or anyone who happens to disagree with you?

The question is being asks throughout the Commonwealth, I suggested the Cape & some of the Boston Islands as potential locations.

Since Middleborough has overwhelmingly voted that they would like to proceed, and IF the plan goes forward, the next question that MUST be asked is "How will that effect the rest of the Commonwealth?".

My personal preference is to allow gambling in the state.

I think Long Island would be the ideal location for a casino because it can be accessed by both bridge and ferry.

A second scenerio that I think deserves consideration is allowing gambling throughout the Cape, in smaller venues, to induce tourism.

Why don't you deal with that instead of your personal attacks?


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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By eeka - Jul 29, 2007, 11:55 AM
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I think Long Island would be the ideal location for a casino because it can be accessed by both bridge and ferry.


Where would you put it? Not a lot of vacant land there.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 29, 2007, 3:29 PM
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Actually you could tear down the under utilized existing structures that are falling down due to neglect.Then you would have the whole Island.Large parking lots wouldn't be needed as many patrons would come by ferry.The beaches could be upgraded and it would be the perfect resort right in the Boston Harbor.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 29, 2007, 5:59 PM
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As usual Fred you are spot on. Maintaining a prime real estate location as a pigsty just doesn't make sense.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 29, 2007, 6:01 PM
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But that's not what you said before. Small-scale gambling throughout the Cape would be fine, but that's not what the tribe has in mind, so it's a moot point. A full-scale resort casino Mid-Cape is totally inappropriate and we don't want it. I don't speak for the entire Cape, but I don't know a single person here who would support that.

Deal with either realizing that other people can't read your mind to know that you meant something different than what you actually said.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 29, 2007, 6:13 PM
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Deal with either realizing that other people can't read your mind to know that you meant something different than what you actually said.


This is supposed to be a conversation, I think posters should have room to explain their point of view(s), thoughts, throughout a thread instead of being beaten down after the first post.

To date the Governor hasn't even made any comment on the subject.

Go bitch at him.


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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 29, 2007, 7:09 PM
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Considering that the governor can't just decide to put a casino here, I don't see how bitching at him would do any good. Unless of course he's the one that controls your behavior.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 29, 2007, 7:19 PM
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Just because you don't know anyone on the Cape who supports the idea doesn't mean most of the people down there feel the same way.I know some who think it would be a shot in the arm for the Capes year round economy.Apparently they aren't just summer Cape residents.They know the Cape has serious off season job problems that can't be cured by importing a bunch of illegals.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 29, 2007, 8:13 PM
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Do tell me about the serious job problems that a casino will solve. While you're at it, propose a way that people will get there that won't involve sitting in traffic for hours.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 29, 2007, 8:19 PM
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Two new bridges will take care of the traffic problems for the foreseeable future.A rail link is years overdue as well.A casino would provide well paying year round employment for all those young folks down there who now only work three or four monthds ca year in good years at minimum wage.Isn't it better to be working at union scale 12 months a year instead of a few months at minimum wage.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 29, 2007, 8:26 PM
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Two new bridges will get people on to the Cape. How about how they're going to be able to drive around the Cape once there? Remember, all these people who are going to fill these jobs on the Cape live in residential neighborhoods for the most part. Are you suggesting that rail tracks be built through residential neighborhoods?

Also, were you aware that feasibility studies have been done by a Cape group that totally supports a rail link to the Cape that just haven't found it to actually BE feasible?

Who are these legal young people who need employment beyond 3 or 4 months of the summer who live here year round?

Who said that the casino was going to be union scale or even pay well?

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 29, 2007, 8:35 PM
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I'm willing to bet that within five years they will be either touting the advantages of two new bridges or it will be a work in progress casino or no casino.
I'm also aware that there are a lot of Cape codders who are pushing for a rail link,and they have no casino connection.
Ther are lots of young people on the Cape who can't find year round employment,this is also not a new problem ,there have been pockets of poverty on the Cape for as long as I can remember,most of them being young folks who work in the restaurants and inns for the season and then get unemployment for va while then end up on welfare ubtil spring.
Have you ever heard of a non union casino?
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 29, 2007, 8:56 PM
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There are pockets of poverty all over Massachusetts. There's unemployment all over Massachusetts, too.

I support two new bridges. But the state just spent 59 million dollars on the flyover (And traffic was backed up to exit 3 this morning! Go Flyover!). I don't think they're ready to put up new bridges unless someone else is going to pony up the money. Considering that casino investors can build elsewhere with a lot less hassle, I don't see that happening.

Are you familiar with the Cape Cod Commission, and their recent record with any kind of building projects?

Also, can you cite some actual sources that say that the Cape needs more jobs than the rest of the state?

I'm still waiting for a proposal for the traffic once you're over the bridge.

I'm only aware of one group that's pushing for a rail link (also with no casino connection), and their recent study didn't support one in the form of a commuter rail or any kind of daily transportation. Can you please name what other groups are mysteriously pushing for this?

Tell me who these young folk are who come down here and work for the summer and then end up on welfare the rest of the year. I actually work with many welfare recipients, and I don't know any who fall into this demographic. Most people who work here for the summer don't live here year round, or are students the rest of the year. Not to say that this demographic doesn't exist at all, but unless you're going to cite some actual sources, I'm going to have to go with actually talking to people who live on Cape Cod and either receive welfare benefits or enjoy seasonal employment, rather than you.

I can't say that I have heard of the non-union, but that's not to say that this one would be.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 29, 2007, 9:02 PM
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Fred, you might want to step away, we obviously have hit a nerve with the "Dysfunction Industry",
they don't want folks getting paying jobs, cuz then they'll be the ones on foodstamps.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 29, 2007, 9:04 PM
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Like I said just because you don't know them doesn't mean they don't exist.Of course if you don't want to know then thats another story entirely.I personally could care less if they build a casino on the Cape or elsewhere.I was in one about 60 years ago and have not had a burning desire to go into another since then.From what I've been reading the rail link isn't that far away maybe two years.Even though it will have a draw bridge.Which I think is a mistake.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 29, 2007, 9:06 PM
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Oh they get them automatically when they go on welfare.I suppose then we should look on the bright side that will mean the supermarkets can hire a few more baggers.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 29, 2007, 9:06 PM
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Rail link: source, please.

Welfare: source, please.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Dave - Jul 29, 2007, 9:16 PM
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IMO, screw the idea of "The Casino". If people want to look at a bunch of stupid blinking lights and throw their money away, let 'em. Just get rid of the meddlesome anti-gambling laws and the market can sort things out with whatever towns feel like getting involved.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 29, 2007, 9:22 PM
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Gee Sparky, I thought you wanted to keep the personal attacks out of this thread?

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 29, 2007, 9:33 PM
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Gee Sparky, I thought you wanted to keep the personal attacks out of this thread?


I think you are confusing truth with an attack.


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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 29, 2007, 9:37 PM
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Personally, I wouldn't be out of a job if there were no welfare recipients. But since there are plenty, I end up with a variety of people on my caseload.

Oh, I'd be a cashier at the grocery store. My old boss from high school would hire me for the register in a second, so I wouldn't have to bag.

I'm still waiting for sources.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sparky - Jul 29, 2007, 10:01 PM
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I'm still waiting for sources.


Well actually you haven't provided any for your point of view.

What is clear, no matter what is put forth you'll be opposed to because it threatens your job.

No dysfunction = No social workers.


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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By eeka - Jul 29, 2007, 10:29 PM
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Fred, you might want to step away, we obviously have hit a nerve with the "Dysfunction Industry",
they don't want folks getting paying jobs, cuz then they'll be the ones on foodstamps.


Seriously, your pattern of attacking anyone who disagrees with you is getting really old. I don't know very much at all about this issue, but it's clear from reading the thread that Jodie is aware of various groups that have done research and have given position statements about what they feel is good for the future of the cape. You're just spewing your opinion that you feel differently, which you're entitled to, but don't attack her for being rational and having information that you couldn't be bothered to research.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By AmeriKenArtist - Jul 29, 2007, 11:56 PM
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Yes it is old.... starts out rather innocent. But then "socket and musket" team up... *flush* ... there it goes. Not much point as a public forum! Wink

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 30, 2007, 12:36 AM
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I'm against major traffic jams where I live. There's an article at least once a week in the Cape Cod Times that outlines the facts about the traffic, and the unemployment rate and the buzzards bay village association has info about rail service studies.

I'm dying to know how Fred managed to scoop the times about the train drawbridge! They've got no clue apparently!

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sarcastic Sam - Jul 30, 2007, 10:26 AM
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Re: railroad on the Cape-- Couldn't they use existing corridors (e.g., Cape Cod Railroad) for a commuter rail extension on the cape? I don't know much about Cape Cod Railroad, other than they used to (maybe still do) run dinner excursions on...kind of like a dinner cruise only on a train instead of a boat.

When I was a college student in Florida, I helped organize a group of students lobbying for high-speed rail connecting Miami, Tampa, and Orlando. To my surprise, the corridors were already in place for connecting those three cities, meaning that nobody would have to be uprooted from their homes, and no privately owned commercial land would have needed to be taken over by the State. There was a brief disussion about the three types of trains that could have been built:

1)Mag-lev (Highest speed and most expensive, running on powerful magnets--too expensive but sounded cool),

2) Traditional old-school Amtrak style (cheapest, slowest)

3) Something in between.

Any one of these alternatives would have been a tremendous benefit for the state, but of course politicians weren't concerned about something that would take more than 10 years to show results, as they only cared about their own re-elections in just a couple years. Therefore they tabled the project. As a result, 20 years later, Florida has horrible traffic jams, shitty public transportaion, and horribly mismanaged growth management.

There probably is a good option out there that would use existing rail corridrors, but I doubt that funding would be adequate, because we'd be hard pressed to get any Federal dollars for a rail project, seeing as we screwed up the Big Dig and all.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 30, 2007, 1:42 PM
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Theoretically they could, but studies (by the group that really WANTS it to happen) are showing that not enough people would use it. Essentially it would end up being just as expensive as taking the bus, but the ride would be a lot longer, and that's just to get to Bourne without going over the train bridge. There's also no room for additional parking on Taylor's Point (where the stop is), so it wouldn't ever be able to truly be a Commuter Rail. What they are proposing to increase tourism specifically in Buzzards Bay is to run the train a couple of times a day on weekends in the summer (as an extension to the Lakeville/Middleboro Line) for day trips and such.

They do still run the dinner train from Hyannis to Bourne, but to turn it into a commuter rail line is just too expensive, studies are showing.

(BBVA.org will give you sources)

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By triquetra - Jul 30, 2007, 2:02 PM
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Really, Jodie, don't you know that the opinions of a couple guys who don't live on the Cape clearly trump the research of professional organizations and the experience of someone who's lived and worked there for pretty much her whole life?

There must be dozens, nay hundreds, nay TEEMING HORDES of seasonal welfare recipients in your town alone! If there weren't, you'd be out of a job and on welfare.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Neal - Jul 30, 2007, 3:24 PM
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Rail service from the Cape was suspended years ago because not enough people used it.


Actually I think it was a matter of Federal operating grants drying up. The State (which owns the line) upgraded the it and the feds were to kick in operating $$. If I recall correctly, train that ran from Braintree to the Cape in the 80s was pretty well patronized, but the schedule wasn't aimed at commuters.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sarcastic Sam - Jul 30, 2007, 3:49 PM
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In Reply To

(BBVA.org will give you sources)


Thx for the info and link...but bbva.org leads to a Spanish site that says "recurso no encontrado"
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By eeka - Jul 30, 2007, 3:58 PM
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http://www.buzzardsbayvillageassociation.org?

PHEER MY GOOGLE FU Pirate

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 30, 2007, 4:14 PM
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Passenger service to the Cape was suspended in 1959. Middleboro/Lakeville and Plymouth/Kingston didn't reopen until the 90s- what was running to the Cape in the 80s?

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Ron Newman - Jul 30, 2007, 4:26 PM
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In the 1980s, the Cape Cod & Hyannis Railroad ran summer service from Braintree to both Hyannis and Falmouth. Also, Amtrak ran the Cape Codder from NYC to Hyannis, splitting from the Amtrak mainline at Attleboro.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Neal - Jul 30, 2007, 4:27 PM
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Here's a recent story on a proposed service to the cape.

I recall reading a story fairly recently (which I'll search for later when I have the time) about a study (I think, but it may just have been a proposal) which said that Commuter Rail service to the Cape was feasible however, people on the Cape feared that frequent swift service to Boston would turn it into a bedroom community and while were they for rail service, preferred a slower connection which would discourage commuting to Boston and be more focused on bringing tourists onto the Cape.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 30, 2007, 6:55 PM
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I think it would be very cool to have some limited service between Buzzards Bay and Middleboro, especially with the casino. That has the absolute potential to help with the revitalization of Buzzards Bay (and probably Wareham. There's a station right behind their Main Street).

Parking is a definite concern though. On the mainland side of the bridge, the "station" has maybe 15 parking spots (Wareham has a lot that runs behind it's main Steer shops, but again, probably less than 75 and they're meant for shoppers). There's a dirt lot behind, at the entrance to the canal path that maybe another 50 cars can park in, but then where do all the people who want to use the canal path or shop on Main Street park? There's just not more land to take. It also takes a fair amount of time for the train to get over the bridge (I watch this with the trash train frequently), during which traffic is blocked (I have no idea why. The bridge is already lowered in anticipation of the train; it seems like it takes a few minutes for the train to line itself up correctly, though I don't know the actual reason). It's not a huge problem a couple of times per day, but for the 10 or so trips a commuter rail might take that starts to make a serious impact.

But if say there was a train that went from Middleboro down to Buzzards Bay and then a public transportion bus to connect people to Hyannis, that could be very cool (technically one could take a public transportation bus from there now, it's just a very complicated procedure because it involves two regional transit authorities. It could be fixed, though).

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 30, 2007, 8:52 PM
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I venture to say parking would not be a big issue on the mainland side of the bridge as most passengers would be coming from Boston to the other side of the bridge.I also figure on the Cape side it wouldn't really be that big an issue as most of the folks who would be coming down on a regular basis or commuting from Boston wopuld be picked up by family members at the station and driven to their abode.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 31, 2007, 12:46 AM
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I reckon you ought to do a study on your plan. Seems to me that the commuter lots in Lakeville and Kingston are full on a regular basis. Must be some people who don't have families that want to drive them to a station while they're busy getting their kids ready for school at the same time... damn those people who can't multi-task!

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By sonia2 - Jul 31, 2007, 9:54 AM
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Must be some people who don't have families that want to drive them to a station while they're busy getting their kids ready for school at the same time...


huh?
people without families want people who have children to give them rides to a train station???

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By eeka - Jul 31, 2007, 10:20 AM
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people without families-who-want-to-drive-them

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By eeka - Jul 31, 2007, 10:27 AM
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And yeah, out of my coworkers who take the train and aren't in walking distance to a train, I can think of one who gets dropped off. The other 2389472398748923749 or so leave their car at the train. There are several who'll sometimes come in on the late side, saying that their preferred lot was full, so they had to drive to another one and get the next train.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By sonia2 - Jul 31, 2007, 10:48 AM
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many people take a bus to the train.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By sonia2 - Jul 31, 2007, 11:01 AM
Post #60 of 86 [In reply to]

does it have to be family?
most don't live with their mom.
couldn't it be "people who can't get a ride"?

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By triquetra - Jul 31, 2007, 11:04 AM
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Of all the weird nits to pick on this...

But I figured "family" in this sense meant "spouse who is getting children ready for school", not "parent".
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By sonia2 - Jul 31, 2007, 11:08 AM
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it was a very confusing sentence.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By triquetra - Jul 31, 2007, 11:10 AM
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Sort of, and the interpretation did raise some interesting points.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By eeka - Jul 31, 2007, 11:29 AM
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many people take a bus to the train.


Yep, but the buses only go so far out. My cow orkers who are in Zone 5 or 6 or 7 don't usually have that option.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 31, 2007, 12:24 PM
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I was tired when I wrote it. I was thinking in terms of people being dropped off by a spouse, but that being difficult when one spouse has to stay behind to get the kids ready for school.

Bus wouldn't be an option for pretty much anyone out here- it doesn't start running early enough, not to mention that it would be a 5+ mile walk to the nearest bus stop for about half of all Cape Codders.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 31, 2007, 8:15 PM
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Then get a yearround job in that booming winter Cape Cod economy you told us about.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 31, 2007, 8:25 PM
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I've had continuous year-round employment on Cape Cod pretty much since I was 16. What on earth are you talking about?

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By eeka - Jul 31, 2007, 8:52 PM
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Then get a yearround job in that booming winter Cape Cod economy you told us about.


fred, what the hell are you talking about?

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 31, 2007, 9:09 PM
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Jodie says there is no seasonal unemployment on the Cape Cod.So if she has transportation problems why doesn't she take on of those yearround jobs on the Cape.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 31, 2007, 9:16 PM
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I still don't get what the hell you're talking about. I am neither unemployed nor have transportation problems. My only problem is with people who don't live here deciding that we need the extra traffic of a casino.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By eeka - Jul 31, 2007, 9:26 PM
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Jodie says there is no seasonal unemployment on the Cape Cod.So if she has transportation problems why doesn't she take on of those yearround jobs on the Cape.


what

Jodie has a year-round job on the Cape. She lives on the Cape too. At least last time I checked. How does any of what you're saying make a fuckounce of sense?

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Jul 31, 2007, 9:37 PM
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Number no one ever suggested you need a casino,it was suggested maybe some of your neighbors want one.You just figured that out all by your lonesome and spoke for everyone who lives on the Cape.You also complained about parking problems in staion near the Cape.So naturally one assumed you had a transportation problem.I really could care less where they put a casino.I do think its inevitable that at least one will be built.I know Its reasonable to assume I won't be their number one customer,especially if its built on the Cape.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Jul 31, 2007, 9:53 PM
Post #73 of 86 [In reply to]

The station doesn't have a passenger train running to it, therefore the parking problem is hypothetical. I haven't decided all by my lonesome, I'm reiterating the sentiment that has been frequently stated in the local papers.

Why a hypothetical parking problem leads one to assume that one has an actual transportation problem is beyond me.

No matter your opinion, it won't be built on the Cape. It takes years of red tape to get a timy BJs built here because of traffic problems and the Cape Cod Commission- considering that there is already a town that wants it, why on earth would anyone try to build here?

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Fred Sennott - Aug 1, 2007, 9:35 PM
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To begin with there is no such thing as a tiny BJs,and any BJs would require at least as much parking as a casino.If a casino is built it will be because somebody wanted it.There are people on the Cape who would love a casino in their backyard.Quite frankly as I said before I could care less.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Aug 1, 2007, 9:51 PM
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Yeah, cause casinos only need 75 parking spots or so. WTF? Are you just determined to have the last word Fred? If you don't care, stop replying.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By sonia2 - Aug 1, 2007, 11:25 PM
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To begin with there is no such thing as a tiny BJs


ew

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Jodie - Aug 1, 2007, 11:48 PM
Post #77 of 86 [In reply to]

Laugh

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By adamg - Aug 2, 2007, 11:41 AM
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Quote
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Good to see I'm not the only one who wonders whatever possessed them to call the place BJs.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Sarcastic Sam - Aug 2, 2007, 12:23 PM
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Because they want to swallow the competition.
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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By eeka - Aug 2, 2007, 12:27 PM
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In Reply To


In Reply To
To begin with there is no such thing as a tiny BJs



ew



AAAAAHAHAHAHA

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By sonia2 - Aug 2, 2007, 1:15 PM
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same thing with that yellow dinosaur on Barney - his name is BJ too.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Ron Newman - Aug 2, 2007, 1:26 PM
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named for BJ Thomas?

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By sonia2 - Aug 2, 2007, 1:36 PM
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doubt it

B.J. is a yellow protoceratops on the hit children's television show Barney & Friends. He has been on the show since season 2. His theme song is "B.J.'s Song". He wears a red baseball cap on his head and red sneakers on his feet(as heard in the lyrics of his theme). He has lost his hat in the episode Hats Off to B.J.! and sometimes says stuff to hide how he felt at the moment (like in Barney's Halloween Party, he was shocked by the paper spiders and after learning they were fake, he says "I knew that, sorta.")

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By eeka - Aug 2, 2007, 1:57 PM
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He has lost his hat in the episode Hats Off to B.J.


No no no. You should still use a hat during a BJ. It should be a new, clean one each time, but you shouldn't take hats off to BJ.

They really should teach children more accurate information.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By Neal - Aug 2, 2007, 4:45 PM
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In Reply To


In Reply To
To begin with there is no such thing as a tiny BJs


ew



Nor a small Hummer.

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Re: What's All the Hubbub?

By eeka - Aug 2, 2007, 4:52 PM
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Shocked

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