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Re: Together We Can't

By tblade - Mar 15, 2007, 8:48 PM
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Since you think people suffering from depression (an illness that causes 32,000 Americas to take their own lives each year) and the family members who aide depression sufferers are, in your words, "pathetic", I am still waiting for your witty insight on the brutal suicides of comedian Richard Jeni and Boston lead singer Brad Delp.

In case you haven't heard, Delp ”had been depressed for some time, feeling emotional (and) bad about himself...Delp committed suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning. Police said Delp had sealed himself inside a bathroom with two charcoal grills."

I am waiting with baited breath for Sparky to post the "Brad Delp is pathetic" thread, Fred to follow with an "Amen, at least he's not Kitty Dukakis", and ladytravel to speculate that this is "a publicity stunt for the remaining members of Boston and Beatlejuice".

I honestly hope no one in any of your families kill themselves in order for you to understand the ass-hole level of your remarks.

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Re: Together We Can't

By Sparky - Mar 15, 2007, 9:11 PM
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“I unequivocally invite you and anyone else who belittles depression to go fuck yourselves.”

“I am waiting with baited breath for Sparky to post……..”

Hey dude I only have two hands!

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Re: Together We Can't

By triquetra - Mar 15, 2007, 9:15 PM
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Honestly? I think most of this thread has less to do with the Patricks and depression than it does with the people posting and our histories. Sparky mostly enjoys playing devil's advocate and seeing what buttons he can successfully push, especially with me, eeka, and sonia. ladytravel gets on tears and stays there for days. Fred is fred.

They're also all of a generation or were raised by a generation in which mental illness held a far greater stigma than it does now, and it's still pretty stigmatized.

I'm not excusing anyone, mind you, nor would I ever minimize the devastating effects of depression.

(I must confess here that I am a little loopy from having had a root canal four hours ago, and I haven't even taken the painkillers yet.)
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Re: Together We Can't

By triquetra - Mar 15, 2007, 9:16 PM
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“I unequivocally invite you and anyone else who belittles depression to go fuck yourselves.”

“I am waiting with baited breath for Sparky to post……..”

Hey dude I only have two hands!


heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Re: Together We Can't

By Fred Sennott - Mar 15, 2007, 9:24 PM
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I have a lot of sympathy for people with mental diseases.I don't make fun of them.I don't have any sympathy for people who use such disorders in family members as an excuse for their own incompetance or impropriety.I will continue to hold The Governor responsible for his misdeeds.No one elected his wife to public office and if she finds it too stressful she should avoid having as public political life.Other Ist Ladies did that quite successfully,I cite Governor Kings wife as an example.She was quite ill and took no part in the trappings of the office.She didn't need a 72k no show appointmennts secretary.If Mrs Patrick can't take the public life she is entitled to her privacy.Her husband isn't allowed to use her as an alibi for his goof ups.
Trust in God and sin not.Don't blame me I'm like Sparky I voted for Sarah to.

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Re: Together We Can't

By Dave - Mar 15, 2007, 9:26 PM
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I am waiting with baited breath

Maybe some Altoids will help with the fishy halitosis.

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Re: Together We Can't

By Sparky - Mar 15, 2007, 9:34 PM
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I have a lot of sympathy for people with mental diseases.I don't make fun of them.I don't have any sympathy for people who use such disorders in family members as an excuse for their own incompetance or impropriety.I will continue to hold The Governor respondsible for his misdeeds.


As you said yesterday Fred, Patrick is a snake oil salesman.

His wife is ill, but he's not going into the details and that is that.

What a crock.

How about the name of the hospital, doctor, etc. hmm?

Funny the $72K "aide" was canned today, a cup of coffee says there's more behind that whole story.

I wonder what brought on the "depression".

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Re: Together We Can't

By triquetra - Mar 15, 2007, 9:36 PM
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It's his wife's hospital, doctor, etc. Not his.

I don't know; I think she maintains a right to that much privacy. Is it really going to help her recover if she can't even go to her doctor without being hounded?

Sparky, if you were in public office of some sort, would you freely disclose your son's hospital, doctor, etc?
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Re: Together We Can't

By Fred Sennott - Mar 15, 2007, 9:45 PM
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I doubt if Sparky was an elected public official that he would be using his wife as an excuse for his own incompetance.I have served in elective positions on a number of occasions .Yet my wife has remained apolitical,and refused to participate in political activities .A right I respected.
Trust in God and sin not.Don't blame me I'm like Sparky I voted for Sarah to.

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Re: Together We Can't

By Sparky - Mar 15, 2007, 9:48 PM
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Sparky, if you were in public office of some sort, would you freely disclose your son's hospital, doctor, etc?



During this whole ordeal, I've switched employers three times. I let everyone of them know the hospital(s) and the name of the admitting doctor during 5 major surgeries. I kept them up to date every couple of days so they could run their business with the minimal amount of disruption as possible.

I would do the same if an elected official.

My father died a few years back, we didn't publish an obit because that was his wish. My boss then questioned, politely, where the private service was to be held. That was on the surface to me rude, even though he was professional about it. But I understand that after being in business for years he has had every scam in the world played on him.

As taxpayers we have a RIGHT to determine if we are being likewise scammed.

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Re: Together We Can't

By Sparky - Mar 15, 2007, 9:56 PM
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Honestly? I think most of this thread has less to do with the Patricks and depression than it does with the people posting and our histories. Sparky mostly enjoys playing devil's advocate and seeing what buttons he can successfully push, especially with me, eeka, and sonia. ladytravel gets on tears and stays there for days. Fred is .

They're also all of a generation or were raised by a generation in which mental illness held a far greater stigma than it does now, and it's still pretty stigmatized.

I'm not excusing anyone, mind you, nor would I ever minimize the devastating effects of depression.

(I must confess here that I am a little loopy from having had a root canal four hours ago, and I haven't even taken the painkillers yet.)


Oh please get over yourself.

I post my opinion here to set the record straight, you, Eeka & Sonia could all turn to dust and I would still post.

This has nothing to do with depression. I don't think I can state my opinion any clearer, I think Deval Patrick is lying.

Chew on that.

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Re: Together We Can't

By ladytravel - Mar 15, 2007, 10:08 PM
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"I don't know; I think she maintains a right to that much privacy. Is it really going to help her recover if she can't even go to her doctor without being hounded?"



This is the point I was trying to make.
Deval claims he is concerned about his wife's health
He then calls a press conference, to tell the world about her "medical condition". we don't need to know her personal life . but we do have the right to question her use of our tax money He has no interest in her privacy The media did not invade her medical privacy. Deval used it real or imagined for political gain ,as I see It

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Re: Together We Can't

By sonia2 - Mar 15, 2007, 10:45 PM
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you must be depressed about that.

Wink

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Re: Together We Can't

By sonia2 - Mar 15, 2007, 10:58 PM
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I must have confused you with the other Sonia from Newton who also had kids going off to college, and who also had a preoccupation with other folks eating habits. Again my bad, so sorry.


Close - not really accurate, but you have sort of committed my words & biography to memory, haven't you?

You can say that I could turn to dust & you'd still keep posting stuff - but you'd still be (mis)quoting me and (kind of) remembering stuff about my family.

I don't get it - you act all hateful, antagonistic & rude to me, but remember stuff I said a few years ago?
That's f-ed up.

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Re: Together We Can't

By Jodie - Mar 16, 2007, 1:32 AM
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If Deval had been employed by the commonwealth for 12 months already, he would be covered under the FMLA to care for his wife, governor or not. The only proof required for that is a doctor's certification saying that the wife has a documented illness. How or where or even what for she is being treated is not relevant.

Of course, Deval hasn't been employed 12 months yet, so he's not entitled. He's also not asking for it. He's letting us know that he won't be putting in as much overtime so that he can be there for his wife. As long as a licensed medical professional says that she has a mental illness, we really don't have the right to question that further.

If my employer asked me for proof that I was caring for an immediate family member beyond a medical certification and provide that and I was subsequently fired, I would sue. And I'd win, because they're breaking the law.

While FMLA doesn't apply to Deval at this point in the game, a little thing called HIPPA does protect Mrs. Patrick.

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Re: Together We Can't

By ladytravel - Mar 16, 2007, 7:18 AM
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guess what.... when you take the job of govenor you can't just start working part time because of a family obligation.
you took a oath.....the job requires you get up in the middle of the night ,if there is a major emergency.
as we Learned from katria, when a citizen is sitting on a roof top waiting for help
the people in charge do not have the luxury of ,being with their families, they have a bigger resposibility to .....do their job...
If you are unable to do the job ...then step down
Rudy Gulani went to hundreds of funerals
for weeks on end ....thats the job.
we have the finest hospitals and deval has millions of dollars to get his wife a team of doctors if need be.Deval if you can't do the job then just step down....
This has been Devals problem from the beginning
He keeps trying to make the job of govenor fit him
instead of doing what the job requires.

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Re: Together We Can't

By Jodie - Mar 16, 2007, 9:50 AM
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Last time I checked, 40 hours per week IS full time.

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Re: Together We Can't

By ladytravel - Mar 16, 2007, 10:05 AM
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 Boston City Councilor Steve Murphy, a close ally of Patrick’s during the gubernatorial campaign, said he saw the first lady at a fund-raiser this week and described her as being “bubbly and happy.”



......But only a cruel person would question devals honesty

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Re: Together We Can't

By ladytravel - Mar 16, 2007, 10:30 AM
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This was not the case for all govenors wives.
I don't think any one questions the fact that she was suffering from a debiltating illness. and I agree that any jokes about her medical condition are cruel, regardless if
you liked her as a person, or approved of her husband as the govenor. She has truly suffered all her life with this horribe illness.


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Re: Together We Can't

By eeka - Mar 16, 2007, 11:52 AM
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Uh, a diagnosis of depression doesn't include a thing about "never appearing bubbly and happy at any time."

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Re: Together We Can't

By triquetra - Mar 16, 2007, 12:16 PM
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Many people with depression have learned to mask it very well in public. Presentation is not at all the same as diagnosis, and you've just proven you don't actually know a thing about this illness.

I don't get why people are squawking so much about Deval's designating tasks to other people. Y'all were so irritated when he was elected, I'd think you'd be happy to have him less in the picture.
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Re: Together We Can't

By triquetra - Mar 16, 2007, 12:18 PM
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I don't get it - you act all hateful, antagonistic & rude to me, but remember stuff I said a few years ago?
That's f-ed up.


See, now that Frankie and EJ are gone, who would he argue with, if not us?
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Re: Together We Can't

By Ron Newman - Mar 16, 2007, 12:23 PM
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he saw the first lady at a fund-raiser this week and described her as being “bubbly and happy.”

and people said a lot of similar things about Brad Delp...

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Re: Together We Can't

By eeka - Mar 16, 2007, 1:11 PM
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And not that any of the people flapping their, uh, keyboards, have ever paid any mind to the opinions of professionals, but I just stopped by and had a happy, bubbly chat with a couple of individuals who are receiving residential treatment for depression and suicidality.

Clearly we should toss them out the door right now, since people with depression are never happy nor bubbly.

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Re: Together We Can't

By triquetra - Mar 16, 2007, 2:06 PM
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Yeah, but what do you know? You've only been trained in mental health care, which clearly makes you a social worker.

You should leave diagnosis to the REAL professionals, like travel agents.
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