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Re: The Irish in Boston

By AmeriKenArtist - Feb 11, 2006, 1:04 PM
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Hmmm, the Irish are shinking?

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Ron Newman - Feb 11, 2006, 1:24 PM
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If someone has an Irish dad but a Chinese mom, does he count as 1/2 of an Irish person for the purpose of determining these percentages?

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Mike in TX - Feb 13, 2006, 10:37 PM
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Some of us are establishing an outpost on the wild frontier! Wink
Sigs are overrated.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 18, 2006, 3:44 PM
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If someone has an Irish dad but a Chinese mom, does he count as 1/2 of an Irish person for the purpose of determining these percentages?

Actually, in that case they count 100% as Chinese, or Asian, for the Census bureaus purposes. In the year 2000 census, minority groups were concerned that their percentages would go down since it was the first census where you could pick more than one race. To appease the minority groups, Clinton mandated that for government programs, mixed race people would count as the minority, not any thing Caucasian
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 18, 2006, 3:49 PM
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It's gone down even more than that. Boston is now "minority majority," which in this case means that about 51% of city residents are black, Hispanic or Asian, so the Irish don't make up a majority of the city's population at all.



Liberals and the Boston Globe always cite Boston as a minority majority city. But the Census says Boston is 54.5% white:
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/...pgsl=010

Is that really minority majority?

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By blah - Feb 18, 2006, 5:29 PM
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54.5% in 2000
50.6% in 2004

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 18, 2006, 7:30 PM
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54.5% in 2000
50.6% in 2004


That's still not minority majority.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By blah - Feb 19, 2006, 12:45 AM
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do you know how the numbers have changed since 2004?
If the % of white people droopped almost 5% from 2000 to 2004, it may have changed again since then?

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 19, 2006, 9:54 AM
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do you know how the numbers have changed since 2004?
If the % of white people droopped almost 5% from 2000 to 2004, it may have changed again since then?


I think you're missing the point. If the white population is over 50.0%, it does not make Boston minority majority. It might be close, but no cigar.
I think it's just a misquoted statistic used by those with agendas.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By blah - Feb 19, 2006, 11:59 AM
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the point is that you were qouting statistics from 6 years ago. the statistics from 2 years ago ahowed that whites were .6% larger than the other groups. I would suspect taht the number have changed more over the past 2 years. I know that greater than 50% is the majority, but you don't have the actual numbers for 2005/2006, so you're missing the pouint

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By eeka - Feb 19, 2006, 1:38 PM
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I don't think it was "to appease minority groups." I think it was to best use the statistics to provide appropriate services.

If someone has, say, one Chinese-born parent and one American-born Caucasian parent, that person should have the option to identify with two races. However, if we're counting each person as one person, then a biracial person who is part Caucasian should be counted in with the minority group.

The reasoning is that services provided by the government are as a default provided in a way that they're geared toward Caucasian American-born folks. There isn't necessarily anything wrong with this -- a school in the middle of the Ozarks might have all Caucasian students with American-born parents. This school wouldn't have a need to strive to hire educators who are competent in the needs of students who are in growing up in a household with Asian cultural practices. Most of the teaching and interacting is going to be done within American cultural norms, and this isn't inappropriate.

However, if a school has, say, 5% Asian students, 20% Caucasian students, and 60% biracial Asian-American students, the district/county/state needs to realize that there aren't just a few kids there who'd benefit from educators who are culturally competent in understanding kids from an Asian background -- but rather that 65% of the kids at the school would benefit from educators who understand the needs of kids from Asian backgrounds. In the former case, it would be nice if they could provide this service, but it might not be possible given the small number. In the latter case, they'd better be actively recruiting educators from Asian-American communities, offering inservices on cultural issues that pertain to Asian-American students, and so forth. If these biracial kids were counted as Caucasian, schools would overlook their needs.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 19, 2006, 9:20 PM
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the point is that you were qouting statistics from 6 years ago. the statistics from 2 years ago ahowed that whites were .6% larger than the other groups. I would suspect taht the number have changed more over the past 2 years. I know that greater than 50% is the majority, but you don't have the actual numbers for 2005/2006, so you're missing the pouint


Well why don't you call up the United States Census bureau and tell them to hurry up with their numbers?
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 19, 2006, 9:23 PM
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I don't think it was "to appease minority groups." I think it was to best use the statistics to provide appropriate services.

If someone has, say, one Chinese-born parent and one American-born Caucasian parent, that person should have the option to identify with two races. However, if we're counting each person as one person, then a biracial person who is part Caucasian should be counted in with the minority group.

The reasoning is that services provided by the government are as a default provided in a way that they're geared toward Caucasian American-born folks. There isn't necessarily anything wrong with this -- a school in the middle of the Ozarks might have all Caucasian students with American-born parents. This school wouldn't have a need to strive to hire educators who are competent in the needs of students who are in growing up in a household with Asian cultural practices. Most of the teaching and interacting is going to be done within American cultural norms, and this isn't inappropriate.

However, if a school has, say, 5% Asian students, 20% Caucasian students, and 60% biracial Asian-American students, the district/county/state needs to realize that there aren't just a few kids there who'd benefit from educators who are culturally competent in understanding kids from an Asian background -- but rather that 65% of the kids at the school would benefit from educators who understand the needs of kids from Asian backgrounds. In the former case, it would be nice if they could provide this service, but it might not be possible given the small number. In the latter case, they'd better be actively recruiting educators from Asian-American communities, offering inservices on cultural issues that pertain to Asian-American students, and so forth. If these biracial kids were counted as Caucasian, schools would overlook their needs.


That sounds frighteningly similar to the 'one drop' rule. That rule said that even if a person had only 1 black grandparent, the person couldn't be considered white and was cast as black. With ridiculous terms like 'octaroon'!

Everyone has two parents. how does the heritage of one outshine that of the other? It doesn't.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 19, 2006, 9:26 PM
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the point is that you were qouting statistics from 6 years ago. the statistics from 2 years ago ahowed that whites were .6% larger than the other groups. I would suspect taht the number have changed more over the past 2 years. I know that greater than 50% is the majority, but you don't have the actual numbers for 2005/2006, so you're missing the pouint

Oh and one more thing, the Official census is taken once every 10 years, in case you didn't know. The 2004 #s are an estimate. So it's not uncommon for people to quote 2000 stats. Even still the 2004 #s still say the city is not minority majority. You really don't get it, do you?
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By triquetra - Feb 20, 2006, 12:27 PM
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Oh and one more thing, the Official census is taken once every 10 years, in case you didn't know. The 2004 #s are an estimate. So it's not uncommon for people to quote 2000 stats. Even still the 2004 #s still say the city is not minority majority. You really don't get it, do you?


All right, I will wade in here with an attempt at an explanation.

Point 1: Between 2000 and 2004, the percentage of white people in Boston dropped almost 5%, to 50.6%.
Point 2: It is not unreasonable to suppose that two years later, if that trend continued, the percentage may have dropped further, to less than 50%, even though official statistics are not up to date.
Point 3: In 2004, the city was not minority majority, but it was very close. By now, it might be.

What's so difficult to understand here?
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By eeka - Feb 20, 2006, 1:13 PM
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“Boston is a minority/majority city, with minorities accounting for more than half our population,” said Mayor Thomas M. Menino. “By bringing together this coalition of large corporations, institutions, minority business enterprises, and the City of Boston, we can ensure that all communities participate in our economic success. Together, we will make great strides in building the capacity of minority business enterprises and creating jobs in all of our communities.”

http://www.uwmb.org/news/05_newecon.htm

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By triquetra - Feb 20, 2006, 2:05 PM
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OMG that's 2005, it's not NOW, you're obviously WRONG!
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By blah - Feb 20, 2006, 4:47 PM
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this source says that boston is 48% white
http://www.tbf.org/indicators2004/c...Race/Ethnicity

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By blah - Feb 20, 2006, 4:48 PM
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Data source 1 U.S. Census Bureau
Data source 2 2003 American Community Survey
Geography1 City of Boston
Geography2
Start Date 1980
End Date 2003
Period
By
Note1 * Non-Latino
Note2 ** Excludes population in group quarters.
Keywords
Cross Reference

2003

White 262,484 48.5%

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 20, 2006, 9:12 PM
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Oh and one more thing, the Official census is taken once every 10 years, in case you didn't know. The 2004 #s are an estimate. So it's not uncommon for people to quote 2000 stats. Even still the 2004 #s still say the city is not minority majority. You really don't get it, do you?


All right, I will wade in here with an attempt at an explanation.

Point 1: Between 2000 and 2004, the percentage of white people in Boston dropped almost 5%, to 50.6%.
Point 2: It is not unreasonable to suppose that two years later, if that trend continued, the percentage may have dropped further, to less than 50%, even though official statistics are not up to date.
Point 3: In 2004, the city was not minority majority, but it was very close. By now, it might be.

What's so difficult to understand here?



Nothing's difficult to understand. But the only official census is the dicentenial. All others are estimates. I though everyone knew the census was taken every 10 years. Most importantly, it's the 2000 census that the Globe loves to quote, so that's the one being discussed. And even if you do want to look at the estimates, it's still not a minority majority city, as close as it is.

Everyone can get their undies in a twist, but it's intersting to see how emotional of an issue this is for some people. As I've said all along, the ones who get most excited about the miscalculation, and defend it to death, are the ones with agendas.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 20, 2006, 9:13 PM
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Data source 1 U.S. Census Bureau
Data source 2 2003 American Community Survey
Geography1 City of Boston
Geography2
Start Date 1980
End Date 2003
Period
By
Note1 * Non-Latino
Note2 ** Excludes population in group quarters.
Keywords
Cross Reference

2003

White 262,484 48.5%

nice try Blah, but the Globe doesn't quote the American Community Survey, they quote the 2000 Census. It's not the same thing.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 20, 2006, 9:15 PM
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“Boston is a minority/majority city, with minorities accounting for more than half our population,” said Mayor Thomas M. Menino. “By bringing together this coalition of large corporations, institutions, minority business enterprises, and the City of Boston, we can ensure that all communities participate in our economic success. Together, we will make great strides in building the capacity of minority business enterprises and creating jobs in all of our communities.”

http://www.uwmb.org/news/05_newecon.htm

I don't doubt he said that, but the point still stands, The only survey that counts, and the survey that everyone quotes, is the 2000 Census, and whites were above 50%, and still are in the subsequent estimates.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By eeka - Feb 21, 2006, 10:47 AM
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And counting the "population in group quarters" is going to make the city even MORE minority. Prisons, group homes, residential schools, state hospitals, rehabs, and so forth* typically have a much higher percentage of people of color than the general population.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By triquetra - Feb 21, 2006, 8:05 PM
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So as far as you're concerned, the demographics of any given area only change once all of a sudden every ten years?

You really don't seem to believe that it's possible that in the past six years, Boston may have BECOME a minority majority city. I don't know if it has or hasn't. But it's possible that it has. Why are you seeming so resistant to the concept?
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Gly - Mar 1, 2006, 8:07 PM
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... Lithuanians in South Boston ...

Lithuanians? We call 'em "Lugans" hereabouts. (Origins of Racist Terms) We Slavs outnumber them 10 to 1 in ChiTown.

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