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The Irish in Boston


By cdngirl cdngirl2003@yahoo.com - Aug 12, 2003, 12:14 PM
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Hello Boston...

I'm visiting your great city this fall - have never been to Boston before and can't wait to discover all it has to offer. One thing I have always been curious about...is it true what they say about the large contingent of Irish in Boston? I'd be interested to know the history behind this, and of course, any recommendations on popular areas of town which have the finest of Irish pubs. Thanks.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Ron Newman - Aug 12, 2003, 12:45 PM
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Boston has a huge Irish population. It's the largest single ethnic group here. You'll find Irish bars and pubs nearly everywhere.

South Boston is the most traditionally Irish neighborhood, followed by Charlestown and parts of Dorchester, but the popular Irish pubs often seem to be elsewhere -- North Station, Cambridge, and Somerville.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By HTP - Aug 12, 2003, 1:02 PM
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The history has to do with the potato famine in the 1840s when thousands of Irish arrived wtihin a few years at the North Atlantic ports of Boston and New York. They were the lucky ones as a million or more died of starvation. Today, the city of Boston's Irish population is much diminished compared to 50 or so years ago, as many have moved to the suburbs, but the metro area still has a big Irish and Catholic population. There's a big literature on the Irish in America, including Boston. Easy to find if you're interested.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Vikram - Aug 12, 2003, 1:27 PM
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There's a big literature on the Irish in America, including Boston. Easy to find if you're interested.


Not to mention a statue of starving Irish people outside the Borders bookstore at Park Street.

Everytime I'm in the area I check to see what people have left behind in the bowl accross from the starving woman. Previous finds include a cheeseburger, a coke and a hypodermic (YIKES!)

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Ron Newman - Aug 12, 2003, 1:28 PM
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the Borders store and the statue are actually at the corner of Washington and School streets. A short walk from Park Street, but not visible from there.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Vikram - Aug 12, 2003, 1:31 PM
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Umm..yeah I meant to say that but didn't know the street names. Figured a T stop location would be just as good.
Thanks

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Ron Newman - Aug 12, 2003, 1:33 PM
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The absolute closest T station would be State, which has an entrance right across the street. But Park Street or Downtown Crossing will do.

Also across the street is the Dreams of Freedom Immigration Museum, well worth a visit if you're interested in this history.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Vikram - Aug 12, 2003, 1:36 PM
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Also across the street is the Dreams of Freedom Immigration Museum, well worth a visit if you're interested in this history.


Sad news: I get this when I click on any link..



ANNOUNCEMENT: 8/1/2003

DREAMS OF FREEDOM: BOSTON'S IMMIGRATION MUSEUM HAS CLOSED INDEFINITELY DUE TO FUNDING.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST AND SUPPORT.

Click here

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By Andrea - Aug 12, 2003, 1:40 PM
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If you want to drink with Irish people (as opposed to hanging out with mostly Irish-Americans in an Irish-owned bar), I'd try the Littlest Bar downtown, the Kinvara in Allston, Blackthorne's in South Boston, Ned Kelly's in Dorchester, the Irish Village in Brighton, and the Irish Embassy by North Station.

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By Ron Newman - Aug 12, 2003, 1:40 PM
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Oh no! And I haven't seen a word about this closing in either daily newspaper. Has anyone else?

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By slim - Aug 12, 2003, 2:57 PM
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Adam actually told me once that my neighborhood, West Roxbury, has more Irish now than Southie. That true Adam?

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By Chris - Aug 12, 2003, 2:57 PM
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The Irish Embassay is closed or is closing soon, it's going to be a "Coyote Ugly" bar, named after that stupid movie which has a chain of these bars in other cities.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By slim - Aug 12, 2003, 3:00 PM
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And the Corrib and West Roxbury Pub in Westie. Loaded with Irish nationals.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Ron Newman - Aug 12, 2003, 3:02 PM
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Some books by Thomas O'Connor that people have recommended in the past:

South Boston: My Home Town: The History of an Ethnic Neighborhood

The Boston Irish: A Political History

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By adamg - Aug 12, 2003, 3:03 PM
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Y'know, they should put up a zone for stupid stuff that you need to be a tourist to get into - the Hard Rock Cafe, Cheers I and II and this.

Doh, wait, that's what Quincy Market is!

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By JP - Aug 12, 2003, 3:05 PM
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Oh no! And I haven't seen a word about this closing in either daily newspaper. Has anyone else?

Man, I work close to the place and I never knew that it was closing. Bad English on their notice part: it should say something like closed due to LACK of funding.

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By Andrea - Aug 12, 2003, 4:27 PM
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The Irish Embassay is closed or is closing soon, it's going to be a "Coyote Ugly" bar, named after that stupid movie which has a chain of these bars in other cities.


Really? Is the hostel above it closing too?

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Fred Sennott - Aug 12, 2003, 7:51 PM
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The Irish Embassay is closed or is closing soon, it's going to be a "Coyote Ugly" bar, named after that stupid movie which has a chain of these bars in other cities.


Really? Is the hostel above it closing too?


There are many Irish families in the Boston area that came over before the potato famine.My fathers family first arrived around 1810,and there were quite a few Irish in Boston then.
Trust in God and sin not.Don't blame me I'm like Sparky I voted for Sarah to.

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By Denise - Aug 13, 2003, 9:25 AM
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The Irish Embassay is closed or is closing soon, it's going to be a "Coyote Ugly" bar, named after that stupid movie which has a chain of these bars in other cities.


Really? Is the hostel above it closing too?


There are many Irish families in the Boston area that came over before the potato famine.My fathers family first arrived around 1810,and there were quite a few Irish in Boston then.


My own Irish family didn't start coming here until just 100 yrs ago. My mother's paternal grandfather. some sort of trouble he was in back there.

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By Chris - Aug 13, 2003, 9:34 AM
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I don't know but I would have to assume that it is. I can't understand why the Irish Embassy would sell they always had a good crowd in there.

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By irish boston girl lv1366@comcast.com - Aug 14, 2003, 5:00 PM
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If you want to drink with Irish people (as opposed to hanging out with mostly Irish-Americans in an Irish-owned bar), I'd try the Littlest Bar downtown, the Kinvara in Allston, Blackthorne's in South Boston, Ned Kelly's in Dorchester, the Irish Village in Brighton, and the Irish Embassy by North Station.


Try Somerville Union Sq , The Tor NA Nog Sunday Nite live music and the owner from Ireland sometimes performs too. Sally O'Briens is nice and it has live music too. Union Sq has a lot of Irish people that go to the bars scence in Union Sq.

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By so - Aug 14, 2003, 6:24 PM
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Some of my family arrived here in 1790's from Ireland....

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By Jules pfoxxy@eircom.net - Aug 16, 2003, 6:06 PM
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Hey cdngirl,
The original neighborhood where Irish immigrants first settled in Boston was actually the North End, which today is a predominantly Italian neighborhood (and worth checking out). They were slums at the time. Over the years the Irish tended to move to South Boston (Southie)and Dorchester, West Roxbury, etc. Boston College, when ,way back, it was still in town, was where the "Irish Catholics" went to college. Of course it still is largely Irish and it is a Jesuit institution. But at the time, the students would ride the T into town to attend BC and carried their lunch in brown paper bags and were therefore named "brown baggers". True. BC also hold the largest collection of Irish literary works in the US. It also holds, well it did when I was there and I'm sure it still does, one of two copies of the Book of Kells in the Bapst Library-or was it the Burns Library?? The other is in London. Anyway, BC is at the end of the B line (Green line). Check it out.

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By Cesare - Aug 18, 2003, 5:15 PM
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And the Corrib and West Roxbury Pub in Westie. Loaded with Irish nationals.


Lol.. and my drunk parents.

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By lizsully - May 19, 2004, 4:39 PM
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If you want to drink with Irish people (as opposed to hanging out with mostly Irish-Americans in an Irish-owned bar), I'd try the Littlest Bar downtown, the Kinvara in Allston, Blackthorne's in South Boston, Ned Kelly's in Dorchester, the Irish Village in Brighton, and the Irish Embassy by North Station.


Try Somerville Union Sq , The Tor NA Nog. Union Sq has a lot of Irish people that go to the bars scence in Union Sq.



The Banshee in Dorchester is loaded with drunk Irish 17 year olds every summer, sounds horrifying but a good time. They also like the Phoenix landing.

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By Chococat1188 - Jul 23, 2004, 7:43 PM
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My great grandfather came here from Ireland during the famine. He became a police person some how even though a lot of people weren't hiring Irish people at that time Crazy. I'm a decendant from an Irish king!!!!!!!! (County Cork!)

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Fred Sennott - Jul 23, 2004, 8:25 PM
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That was one of the few jpbs a Irish man could get in Boston.Thats why there are so many Irish Cops.
Trust in God and sin not.Don't blame me I'm like Sparky I voted for Sarah to.

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By EJ Alwaysrite - Jul 23, 2004, 9:36 PM
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That was one of the few jpbs a Irish man could get in Boston.Thats why there are so many Irish Cops.


I have a business apointment in Ireland this month and next, could Sparky tell me where his daughter will be so I can avoid her ugly bap? I don'y want any nightmares !

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By wicked_smart - Oct 24, 2004, 5:08 PM
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I have a stupid question. I was watching Good Will Hunting and was wondering if you guys really refer to South Boston as "Southie"
**I've learned that some people are like a good wine, they just get better with time and some are like beer, good for the moment, but the taste never changes.

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By wicked_smart - Oct 24, 2004, 5:09 PM
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I have a stupid question. I was watching Good Will Hunting and was wondering if you guys really refer to South Boston as "Southie"


I forgot to add that I'm not exactly from Boston.
**I've learned that some people are like a good wine, they just get better with time and some are like beer, good for the moment, but the taste never changes.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Ron Newman - Oct 24, 2004, 5:27 PM
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People from here do, and people who aren't from here eventually fall into the habit.

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By Miki - Oct 25, 2004, 11:02 AM
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It's mostly the denizens of South Boston who refer to the area as "southie", no?

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By eeka - Oct 25, 2004, 11:16 AM
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Denizens? They make good chili. The fork stands up!

WOOOOOOOO! CHILI!

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Spatch - Oct 25, 2004, 1:27 PM
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Aw, great, now I'm starvin.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By adamg - Oct 25, 2004, 3:21 PM
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I use "Southie" from time to time and I live nowhere near it. In contrast, I live right next to West Roxbury and yet never call it "Westie" (I also never call it late for dinner).

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Ron Newman - Oct 25, 2004, 3:25 PM
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I've never heard anyone call it "Westie".

However, "Eastie" for East Boston is common, and so is "Rozzie" for Roslindale.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By adamg - Oct 25, 2004, 3:44 PM
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There's a battle for the very soul of Roslindale - if you can imagine, some people insist on referring to it as Rossi!

But back to Westie. I just found the following, which made me laugh, because it's true!

You know you're from Westie if:

-Roche Bros. (Roche's, Rochies) is the center of the universe.
-You think kids from JP are wierd.
-Dedham is our Shelbyville. You hate Dedham kids. You think: "Damn Dedham kids marrying their cousins and thinking they're better than us and coming to our territory thinking they own the place."
-Despite the above comment, you think it's your God-given right to go into Dedham and you think they owe you their respect.
-You get pissed when someone says "Westie sucks" or "Westie shouldn't be part of Boston, they're like a suburb."
-You went to the prom with another kid from Westie.
-You've done at least one St. T's CYO activity. (haunted house, paintballing, etc.)
-You know about The Grove
-You know what goes on at the caves, the quarry, the 'Burger, and Assumption Church.
-At least once, you've yelled "Shit! Cops!"
-You're Catholic
-You know which pubs are for which age-groups
-The Corrib is the best place around to get a steak

But wait, there's more. See the whole thing at

http://www.livejournal.com/users/jerlyn228/5983.html

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Beanboy - Feb 15, 2005, 3:20 PM
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Hmmm I said yes to eight of them... OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGMOGMOGMOGMOGMOGOMG

I'm stuck with an Irish first name, but not one drop of Irish blood in the ol' blood. Bah!

-B
I'm Beanboy!

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By LaDivina - Feb 15, 2005, 4:00 PM
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"Bean" is Irish?

Wink

Freedom of speech is wonderful - right up there with the freedom not to listen.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By eeka - Feb 15, 2005, 4:20 PM
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HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Maybe they're marrowfat peas.

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By Frankie - Feb 15, 2005, 5:27 PM
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"Bean" is Irish?

Wink


As a 'verb'.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By eeka - Feb 15, 2005, 5:30 PM
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llama

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By Frankie - Feb 15, 2005, 5:35 PM
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Or a holy legume.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Gly - Dec 31, 2005, 8:10 PM
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Ron Newman


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Boston has a huge Irish population. It's the largest single ethnic group here.

This is just a test of your modified HTML. I merely picked this post at random.

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By Frankie - Jan 1, 2006, 11:22 AM
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But, what's the question?

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By Miki - Feb 11, 2006, 12:42 PM
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It's also true, however, that many of Boston's Irish have also relocated themselves by moving out of the city. Boston's Irish population, which used to be 70-some-odd percent, has gone down to a 55% majority--a considerably slimmer majority than previously.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By adamg - Feb 11, 2006, 12:47 PM
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It's gone down even more than that. Boston is now "minority majority," which in this case means that about 51% of city residents are black, Hispanic or Asian, so the Irish don't make up a majority of the city's population at all.

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Re: The Irish in Boston
By Miki - Feb 11, 2006, 12:56 PM
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the Irish don't make up a majority of the .


Nope, only half.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By AmeriKenArtist - Feb 11, 2006, 12:59 PM
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(Adam?)Smile

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By adamg - Feb 11, 2006, 1:02 PM
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Well less than half, since there are people like me (not Irish), my wife (not Irish), our kid (not Irish) and, um, all the Lithuanians in South Boston and all the Russians in Brighton. Oh, yeah, and the Italians in East Boston, the North End and Readville.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By AmeriKenArtist - Feb 11, 2006, 1:04 PM
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Hmmm, the Irish are shinking?

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Ron Newman - Feb 11, 2006, 1:24 PM
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If someone has an Irish dad but a Chinese mom, does he count as 1/2 of an Irish person for the purpose of determining these percentages?

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Mike in TX - Feb 13, 2006, 10:37 PM
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Some of us are establishing an outpost on the wild frontier! Wink
Sigs are overrated.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 18, 2006, 3:44 PM
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If someone has an Irish dad but a Chinese mom, does he count as 1/2 of an Irish person for the purpose of determining these percentages?

Actually, in that case they count 100% as Chinese, or Asian, for the Census bureaus purposes. In the year 2000 census, minority groups were concerned that their percentages would go down since it was the first census where you could pick more than one race. To appease the minority groups, Clinton mandated that for government programs, mixed race people would count as the minority, not any thing Caucasian
"George Bush doesn't care about black people" Kanye West-2005

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 18, 2006, 3:49 PM
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It's gone down even more than that. Boston is now "minority majority," which in this case means that about 51% of city residents are black, Hispanic or Asian, so the Irish don't make up a majority of the city's population at all.



Liberals and the Boston Globe always cite Boston as a minority majority city. But the Census says Boston is 54.5% white:
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/...pgsl=010

Is that really minority majority?

"George Bush doesn't care about black people" Kanye West-2005

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By blah - Feb 18, 2006, 5:29 PM
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54.5% in 2000
50.6% in 2004

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 18, 2006, 7:30 PM
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54.5% in 2000
50.6% in 2004


That's still not minority majority.
"George Bush doesn't care about black people" Kanye West-2005

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By blah - Feb 19, 2006, 12:45 AM
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do you know how the numbers have changed since 2004?
If the % of white people droopped almost 5% from 2000 to 2004, it may have changed again since then?

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 19, 2006, 9:54 AM
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do you know how the numbers have changed since 2004?
If the % of white people droopped almost 5% from 2000 to 2004, it may have changed again since then?


I think you're missing the point. If the white population is over 50.0%, it does not make Boston minority majority. It might be close, but no cigar.
I think it's just a misquoted statistic used by those with agendas.
"George Bush doesn't care about black people" Kanye West-2005

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By blah - Feb 19, 2006, 11:59 AM
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the point is that you were qouting statistics from 6 years ago. the statistics from 2 years ago ahowed that whites were .6% larger than the other groups. I would suspect taht the number have changed more over the past 2 years. I know that greater than 50% is the majority, but you don't have the actual numbers for 2005/2006, so you're missing the pouint

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By eeka - Feb 19, 2006, 1:38 PM
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I don't think it was "to appease minority groups." I think it was to best use the statistics to provide appropriate services.

If someone has, say, one Chinese-born parent and one American-born Caucasian parent, that person should have the option to identify with two races. However, if we're counting each person as one person, then a biracial person who is part Caucasian should be counted in with the minority group.

The reasoning is that services provided by the government are as a default provided in a way that they're geared toward Caucasian American-born folks. There isn't necessarily anything wrong with this -- a school in the middle of the Ozarks might have all Caucasian students with American-born parents. This school wouldn't have a need to strive to hire educators who are competent in the needs of students who are in growing up in a household with Asian cultural practices. Most of the teaching and interacting is going to be done within American cultural norms, and this isn't inappropriate.

However, if a school has, say, 5% Asian students, 20% Caucasian students, and 60% biracial Asian-American students, the district/county/state needs to realize that there aren't just a few kids there who'd benefit from educators who are culturally competent in understanding kids from an Asian background -- but rather that 65% of the kids at the school would benefit from educators who understand the needs of kids from Asian backgrounds. In the former case, it would be nice if they could provide this service, but it might not be possible given the small number. In the latter case, they'd better be actively recruiting educators from Asian-American communities, offering inservices on cultural issues that pertain to Asian-American students, and so forth. If these biracial kids were counted as Caucasian, schools would overlook their needs.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 19, 2006, 9:20 PM
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the point is that you were qouting statistics from 6 years ago. the statistics from 2 years ago ahowed that whites were .6% larger than the other groups. I would suspect taht the number have changed more over the past 2 years. I know that greater than 50% is the majority, but you don't have the actual numbers for 2005/2006, so you're missing the pouint


Well why don't you call up the United States Census bureau and tell them to hurry up with their numbers?
"George Bush doesn't care about black people" Kanye West-2005

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 19, 2006, 9:23 PM
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I don't think it was "to appease minority groups." I think it was to best use the statistics to provide appropriate services.

If someone has, say, one Chinese-born parent and one American-born Caucasian parent, that person should have the option to identify with two races. However, if we're counting each person as one person, then a biracial person who is part Caucasian should be counted in with the minority group.

The reasoning is that services provided by the government are as a default provided in a way that they're geared toward Caucasian American-born folks. There isn't necessarily anything wrong with this -- a school in the middle of the Ozarks might have all Caucasian students with American-born parents. This school wouldn't have a need to strive to hire educators who are competent in the needs of students who are in growing up in a household with Asian cultural practices. Most of the teaching and interacting is going to be done within American cultural norms, and this isn't inappropriate.

However, if a school has, say, 5% Asian students, 20% Caucasian students, and 60% biracial Asian-American students, the district/county/state needs to realize that there aren't just a few kids there who'd benefit from educators who are culturally competent in understanding kids from an Asian background -- but rather that 65% of the kids at the school would benefit from educators who understand the needs of kids from Asian backgrounds. In the former case, it would be nice if they could provide this service, but it might not be possible given the small number. In the latter case, they'd better be actively recruiting educators from Asian-American communities, offering inservices on cultural issues that pertain to Asian-American students, and so forth. If these biracial kids were counted as Caucasian, schools would overlook their needs.


That sounds frighteningly similar to the 'one drop' rule. That rule said that even if a person had only 1 black grandparent, the person couldn't be considered white and was cast as black. With ridiculous terms like 'octaroon'!

Everyone has two parents. how does the heritage of one outshine that of the other? It doesn't.
"George Bush doesn't care about black people" Kanye West-2005

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 19, 2006, 9:26 PM
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the point is that you were qouting statistics from 6 years ago. the statistics from 2 years ago ahowed that whites were .6% larger than the other groups. I would suspect taht the number have changed more over the past 2 years. I know that greater than 50% is the majority, but you don't have the actual numbers for 2005/2006, so you're missing the pouint

Oh and one more thing, the Official census is taken once every 10 years, in case you didn't know. The 2004 #s are an estimate. So it's not uncommon for people to quote 2000 stats. Even still the 2004 #s still say the city is not minority majority. You really don't get it, do you?
"George Bush doesn't care about black people" Kanye West-2005

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By triquetra - Feb 20, 2006, 12:27 PM
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Oh and one more thing, the Official census is taken once every 10 years, in case you didn't know. The 2004 #s are an estimate. So it's not uncommon for people to quote 2000 stats. Even still the 2004 #s still say the city is not minority majority. You really don't get it, do you?


All right, I will wade in here with an attempt at an explanation.

Point 1: Between 2000 and 2004, the percentage of white people in Boston dropped almost 5%, to 50.6%.
Point 2: It is not unreasonable to suppose that two years later, if that trend continued, the percentage may have dropped further, to less than 50%, even though official statistics are not up to date.
Point 3: In 2004, the city was not minority majority, but it was very close. By now, it might be.

What's so difficult to understand here?
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By eeka - Feb 20, 2006, 1:13 PM
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“Boston is a minority/majority city, with minorities accounting for more than half our population,” said Mayor Thomas M. Menino. “By bringing together this coalition of large corporations, institutions, minority business enterprises, and the City of Boston, we can ensure that all communities participate in our economic success. Together, we will make great strides in building the capacity of minority business enterprises and creating jobs in all of our communities.”

http://www.uwmb.org/news/05_newecon.htm

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By triquetra - Feb 20, 2006, 2:05 PM
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OMG that's 2005, it's not NOW, you're obviously WRONG!
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By blah - Feb 20, 2006, 4:47 PM
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this source says that boston is 48% white
http://www.tbf.org/indicators2004/c...Race/Ethnicity

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By blah - Feb 20, 2006, 4:48 PM
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Data source 1 U.S. Census Bureau
Data source 2 2003 American Community Survey
Geography1 City of Boston
Geography2
Start Date 1980
End Date 2003
Period
By
Note1 * Non-Latino
Note2 ** Excludes population in group quarters.
Keywords
Cross Reference

2003

White 262,484 48.5%

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 20, 2006, 9:12 PM
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In Reply To

Oh and one more thing, the Official census is taken once every 10 years, in case you didn't know. The 2004 #s are an estimate. So it's not uncommon for people to quote 2000 stats. Even still the 2004 #s still say the city is not minority majority. You really don't get it, do you?


All right, I will wade in here with an attempt at an explanation.

Point 1: Between 2000 and 2004, the percentage of white people in Boston dropped almost 5%, to 50.6%.
Point 2: It is not unreasonable to suppose that two years later, if that trend continued, the percentage may have dropped further, to less than 50%, even though official statistics are not up to date.
Point 3: In 2004, the city was not minority majority, but it was very close. By now, it might be.

What's so difficult to understand here?



Nothing's difficult to understand. But the only official census is the dicentenial. All others are estimates. I though everyone knew the census was taken every 10 years. Most importantly, it's the 2000 census that the Globe loves to quote, so that's the one being discussed. And even if you do want to look at the estimates, it's still not a minority majority city, as close as it is.

Everyone can get their undies in a twist, but it's intersting to see how emotional of an issue this is for some people. As I've said all along, the ones who get most excited about the miscalculation, and defend it to death, are the ones with agendas.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 20, 2006, 9:13 PM
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In Reply To
Data source 1 U.S. Census Bureau
Data source 2 2003 American Community Survey
Geography1 City of Boston
Geography2
Start Date 1980
End Date 2003
Period
By
Note1 * Non-Latino
Note2 ** Excludes population in group quarters.
Keywords
Cross Reference

2003

White 262,484 48.5%

nice try Blah, but the Globe doesn't quote the American Community Survey, they quote the 2000 Census. It's not the same thing.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By ciao - Feb 20, 2006, 9:15 PM
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“Boston is a minority/majority city, with minorities accounting for more than half our population,” said Mayor Thomas M. Menino. “By bringing together this coalition of large corporations, institutions, minority business enterprises, and the City of Boston, we can ensure that all communities participate in our economic success. Together, we will make great strides in building the capacity of minority business enterprises and creating jobs in all of our communities.”

http://www.uwmb.org/news/05_newecon.htm

I don't doubt he said that, but the point still stands, The only survey that counts, and the survey that everyone quotes, is the 2000 Census, and whites were above 50%, and still are in the subsequent estimates.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By eeka - Feb 21, 2006, 10:47 AM
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And counting the "population in group quarters" is going to make the city even MORE minority. Prisons, group homes, residential schools, state hospitals, rehabs, and so forth* typically have a much higher percentage of people of color than the general population.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By triquetra - Feb 21, 2006, 8:05 PM
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So as far as you're concerned, the demographics of any given area only change once all of a sudden every ten years?

You really don't seem to believe that it's possible that in the past six years, Boston may have BECOME a minority majority city. I don't know if it has or hasn't. But it's possible that it has. Why are you seeming so resistant to the concept?
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Gly - Mar 1, 2006, 8:07 PM
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... Lithuanians in South Boston ...

Lithuanians? We call 'em "Lugans" hereabouts. (Origins of Racist Terms) We Slavs outnumber them 10 to 1 in ChiTown.

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Welcome back, Gly.
By Miki - Mar 1, 2006, 9:17 PM
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Hello, Gly. Nice to see you posting here again. Enjoyed looking at the informative llink that you posted about the Origins of Racist Terms.

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Re: Welcome back, Gly.

By Gly - Mar 2, 2006, 12:50 AM
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Hi Miki, it was nice to hear from you. My "nonsense" post yesterday was a test to see if I were banned from this board. I guess I am not.

I have been spending a lot of time recently with bloggers from Iraq. They are mostly college students in their early twenties, sometimes with a medical doctor in his 50's thrown in. It is a fantastic life they are forced to lead.

Baghdad Treasure is one typical blogger — he is a reporter for a newspaper in Baghdad, probably about 25 years old. If you go to his blog, he will have links to other bloggers in Irag in his "BlogRoll." Really fascinating stuff.

I'll have to get back on the Boston forums, if only to have some repartee with you and Denise. I'm waiting at the side of the merry-go-round for an opportune moment to jump on.

Thanks for your welcome.

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Re: Welcome back, Gly.
By Miki - Mar 2, 2006, 11:13 AM
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Hello again, Gly. Thanks for your interesting post about the bloggers you've been spending time with from Iraq. It sounds like a fantastic, but rought-and-tough life they're forced to lead. Again, we may or may not have different opinions about our involvement in Iraq, but I'm glad to talk with you also, and to exchange viewpoints. I admit to being opposed to our involvement in Iraq--that we really shouldn't have gone in at all, and, I also saw an article that indicated that G. W. Bush was, indeed warned about the coming of Hurricane Katrina, but yet failed to respond. I've also spent some time researching Rachel Corrie, the young woman who was killed in Gaza Strip 3 years ago while acting as a human shield. Interesting indeed, and I've put in some responses of my own to certain articles about the young woman.

Anyway, Gly--again, it's nice to see you posting here again. Talk to you again.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Fred Sennott - Apr 29, 2006, 9:22 PM
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Has anyone even considered the number of illegal residents of Boston no matter where they come from they are not likely to be counted by any official group.The last thing most of them want to do is bring attention on themselves.They certainly should be counted in any census to determine the ethicity of the city.The bvarious newspapers have reported periodicly about a significant number of Irish Illegals in Boston.They also report on illegals from Latin America,Haiti, Russia and lots of other places.Who is counting them?
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By eeka - Apr 29, 2006, 10:47 PM
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Great point, Fred. I mean, that all people living more or less permanently in an area should be counted in determining the ethnic groups in the area. In Walla Walla, where I used to live, the census data says the town is something like 90% white non-Hispanic, which, um, no. The area has a huuuuge number of migrant workers (including documented folks and undocumented folks, as well as seasonal workers who are documented as being in the country but move around so much that they haven't been counted in the census. There's a lot of seasonal work there with the wineries, wheat, and orchards. Lots of people move between Walla Walla and Yakima and a lot move between California and Walla Walla.) The data from the social service agencies and the schools say that the area is more like 40 or 50% Hispanic, which seems about right. I mean, walking around in a grocery store, you can tell that the place is clearly not anywhere near 90% white non-Hispanic.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By massachusetts - Aug 12, 2006, 11:24 PM
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My opinion based on observation, the irish are the most racist group of people on earth. even the KKK dont like the irish

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Ron Newman - Aug 12, 2006, 11:26 PM
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Did you know that all generalizations are false?

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By eeka - Aug 12, 2006, 11:27 PM
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Did you know that all generalizations are false?


AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA nice one.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By massachusetts - Aug 12, 2006, 11:52 PM
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If all generalizations are false, why does the word exist?

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Scott - Aug 13, 2006, 9:07 AM
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My opinion based on observation, the irish are the most racist group of people on earth. even the KKK dont like the irish


The Klan dislikes Irish people because the majority are Catholic. Don't you remember in '75-76 when the Klan was trying to recruit in Charlestown and Southie and were threatened, pelted with rocks and run out of town?

I can see how Boston history/ politics and the motives behind what people do, can be rather enigmatic to some.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By massachusetts - Aug 13, 2006, 10:51 AM
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o yea, i forgot about that. The black guy having an American flag jabbed into his stomach, or was that another racial incident during the days Boston was predominately white.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Neal - Aug 13, 2006, 11:04 AM
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Have you even been to Ireland?

It's not fair to make judgments about a whole culture of people about whom you obviously know nothing.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Fred Sennott - Aug 13, 2006, 7:35 PM
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They also don't like Blacks and Jews.I remember hearing them taunt us by saying what the three Ks mean,They stood for the three poeople they hate the most,Koons,Kikes and Kathlics
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By mapl - Aug 14, 2006, 1:19 AM
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o yea, i forgot about that. The black guy having an American flag jabbed into his stomach, or was that another racial incident during the days Boston was predominately white.

Sorry to break this to you, Massachusetts, but, first of all, the guy didn't have the American flag jabbed into his stomach. Secondly, that picture of the kid supposedly spearing the black man in the face was a tad or so misleading. Here's why. A number of years after that, I recalled reading an interview in the Globe with the white guy who held the flag, and also another one with the black guy who was attacked on his way to Boston City Hall. The white guy with the flag swung it at the African-American guy, who leaned away from the flag just in time. Another white guy punched the black man in the face, and broke his nose and glasses. On one episode of the TV program, "Inside Edition", which was about busing, one of the white guys who'd attacked the African-American attorney came out and said "I punched him in the face and broke his nose and his glasses, and I don't mind admitting that I'm really ashamed of what I did." Neither of those behaviours is justifiable or excusable, no matter who they're done to.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Scott - Aug 14, 2006, 1:31 PM
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Have you even been to Ireland?

It's not fair to make judgments about a whole culture of people about whom you obviously know nothing.


I have, twice and if there is a nicer people or place I would sure like to visit it.

It is the kind of country where you cannot find a cup of coffee or tea to go, because no sane person could be in that much of a hurry.

Boston Irish are just as nice IMO, just in a bit more of a hurry.

btw- If Boston's urban suburbs like Cambridge, Somerville, Brookline, Quincy, Newton et al were included in a regional plan to eliminate disparity in the schools then maybe the effort would have sucessful. Instead you had the poor fighting the poor for tablescraps while a disproportionate amount of taxes city folks pay provide a top-notch education for suburban children.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By mapl - Aug 14, 2006, 6:11 PM
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In Reply To
My opinion based on observation, the irish are the most racist group of people on earth. even the KKK dont like the irish


The Klan dislikes Irish people because the majority are Catholic. Don't you remember in '75-76 when the Klan was trying to recruit in Charlestown and Southie and were threatened, pelted with rocks and run out of town?

I can see how Boston history/ politics and the motives behind what people do, can be rather enigmatic to some.


That's very true, Fred. One can also successfully argue that the Ku Klux Klan is against ANYBODY who doesn't follow THEIR line of thinking. Additions to their list of groups that the KKK hates: Asians, Hispanics, Islamic

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Fred Sennott - Aug 14, 2006, 8:47 PM
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I'm quite sure that the KKK hate more than three kinds of people,after all they are an equal opportunity hate group.
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Re: The Irish in Boston
By EJ Alwaysrite - Aug 15, 2006, 7:28 AM
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I'm quite sure that the KKK hate more than three kinds of people,after all they are an equal opportunity hate group.


I'm Sure we'll all agree the KKK doesn't discriminate. (Oh my God is this the 1st time all WGCRats agree? fingers crossedShocked)

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By mapl - Aug 15, 2006, 1:08 PM
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My opinion based on observation, the irish are the most racist group of people on earth. even the KKK dont like the irish

Really?? Is that so?? I know I'm late in responding to this, but to say that ANY one particular group has a monopoly on racism and bigotry is ludicrous, imo. Racism and bigotry exists in ALL GROUPS, regardless of who they may be.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By eeka - Aug 15, 2006, 1:20 PM
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In Reply To
My opinion based on observation, the irish are the most racist group of people on earth. even the KKK dont like the irish


Really?? Is that so?? I know I'm late in responding to this, but to say that ANY one particular group has a monopoly on racism and bigotry is ludicrous, imo. Racism and bigotry exists in ALL GROUPS, regardless of who they may be.



Miki, is there anything you won't respond to? Like, do you ever look at something and just decide it's absurd and kind of shake your head and move on? Ever?

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Fred Sennott - Sep 16, 2006, 9:23 PM
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Did you notice they don't like blacks either?
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By eeka - Sep 16, 2006, 10:08 PM
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The Irish or the KKK?

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Fred Sennott - Sep 17, 2006, 2:09 PM
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The KKK.I think i told you what the three Ks stand for,the three things they hate the most Koons Kikes And Katlicks.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Gly - Sep 17, 2006, 9:26 PM
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The Ku Klux in Ku Klux Kan was derived from the college fraternity Kuklos Adelphon, a fraternity widespread throughout the Southern states of the USA in the period before the War Between the States. Its name means Circle of Brothers. (kuklos means circle in Greek.) It was organized in 1812 by four members of the Phi Beta Kappa fraternity at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. It expanded to over twenty colleges and townships throughout the South, but later dissolved during the War of Northern Agression.
Its elaborate rituals were a model for those later adopted by the Ku Klux Klan after the war's end.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Fred Sennott - Sep 17, 2006, 9:50 PM
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I remember knowing a number of rednecks who were avowed members of the KKK during my first tour of duty in the Army.Several of them delighted in expounding on what the three Ks stood for,in fact we heard it daily.Incredibly after the MP company at Ft Eustis was integrated,they nball trassferred out of it.That company was one of the first integrated units in the Army.About a month before it happened Captain Gilbert A. Monti got up at a Company formation and announced that he was a segregationist from Mississippi ,but the wave of the future in the Army was integrated units and He intended to be a carrer soldier .He said if anyone couldn't live with it they could ask for a transfer .He also stated as long as he was CO it would work.About a month later we had about 150 MPs in the company all white,then we had 165 MPs 15 black.The immediate effect was we got more time off because we had more men to do the same mission.That was several years before Truman signed the Executive Order desegregating the Army.Of course he had told the Joint Chiefs he was going to do it.The Army moved to desegregate a numbetr of units right away and found out it would work.Don't get me wrong there were and probably still are some bigots in the Army but they worked hard to make it work.The other services had to play catch up because they didn't think he would actually do it.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Sarcastic Sam - Sep 18, 2006, 2:10 PM
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Let's not forget that horribly racist puppet show:


Ku Klux Fran & Ollie.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Fred Sennott - Oct 29, 2006, 9:35 PM
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Miki you were right this time.for proof just look at Queenie.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By MikeyCNY - Aug 15, 2007, 12:15 PM
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Why on earth would anyone go to Boston to experience Irish culture? I've been to both Ireland and Boston and all I can say is that the "Irish-Americans" in America and the Irish in Europe are two completely different groups of people with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN COMMON... and South Boston is nothing but a white trash ghetto infested with ebonics-speaking, pants-down-to-your-ankles, pimply-faced wannabe gang-banging douchebags and REAL Irish people are appalled that South Boston is a bastion of racism and ignorance.

Ireland is very "European" and cosmopolitan, and Irish consider themselves "worldly" and "sophisticated", and they act, dress, look, speak, and carry themselves in a totally different manner than Irish-Americans, which tend to be, well, typical Americans.

There is NOTHING Irish about Boston. Boston does not resemble Ireland in any way, shape, or form nor do the Americans of Irish ancenstry residing in Boston resemble the Irish in Europe in any manner. As a matter of fact, I highly doubt many Irish-Americans in Massachusetts have ever even been to Ireland (or can find it on a map, for that matter), and if they happen to visit, they stick out like sore thumbs with their backward baseball caps and overweight gait. Irish people laugh at and ridicule "Irish-Americans" because you ARE NOT Irish! You are American!

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Ron Newman - Aug 15, 2007, 12:35 PM
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That seems more than a little over-the-top. There is a lot of Celtic music in and around Boston; is none of it authentic? Will you next tell us that the North End contains no real Italians?

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By MikeyCNY - Aug 15, 2007, 1:40 PM
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That seems more than a little over-the-top. There is a lot of Celtic music in and around Boston; is none of it authentic? Will you next tell us that the North End contains no real Italians?



if the Italians in North End are anything like the Joey Guidos in New York/New Jersey, then no, North End does not have "real" Italians anymore than South Boston has "real" Irish. and they, too, are laughed at and ridiculed if they ever happen to travel to Italy....because much to their surprise, Italians don't prance around in muscle shirts showing off their roid-juiced muscles, calling everyone "paisan", wearing huge stainless-steel crucifixes and sporting fake tans. They then notice that everyone seems to be staring at them intently. Some people are scowling. ZOMG!! They must be playa-haterz!! Other people are pointing at them and laughing openly.

I should know, by the way, I grew up in Staten Island/Brooklyn, 100% Italian ancentry, and I've seen this happen on my trips to Italy. Unlike most Italian-Americans, however, I speak fluent Italian and blend in well. Same thing I've seen happen when I lived in Dublin and the Americans who happened to have Irish blood were puzzled as to why they weren't as welcomed in Ireland as they expected.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Fred Sennott - Aug 15, 2007, 8:22 PM
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I've been to Italy on a number of occasions and had trouble convincing The natives that I wasn't of Italian extraction.I wasn't even trying to act Italian.I've been to Dublin and other parts of Ireland. I found most Irish people had a lot of admiration for Americans.I was certainly made to feel at home there.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Fred Sennott - Aug 15, 2007, 8:26 PM
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I've also spent a lot of time in Brooklyn and Staten Island.I thought the Italo-Americans in Bayonne acted more Italian than those in either borough.None of them could compare with the North Enders.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Dave - Aug 15, 2007, 9:00 PM
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In Reply To
a disproportionate amount of taxes city folks pay provide a top-notch education for suburban children.

City folks pay suburban property taxes?

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Fred Sennott - Aug 15, 2007, 9:13 PM
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That seems to fit with the rest of his off the wall comments.He apparently has nrever been outside of Flatbush,but would like top make us believe he's a world traveler.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Ron Newman - Aug 15, 2007, 10:09 PM
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Scott lives in suburban Boston. I think you are confusing him with someone else.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Jodie - Aug 15, 2007, 10:16 PM
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I think someone doesn't know how to use "in reply to."

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Harry Burton - Aug 15, 2007, 10:40 PM
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There is NOTHING Irish about Boston. Boston does not resemble Ireland in any way, shape, or form nor do the Americans of Irish ancenstry residing in Boston resemble the Irish in Europe in any manner. As a matter of fact, I highly doubt many Irish-Americans in Massachusetts have ever even been to Ireland (or can find it on a map, for that matter), and if they happen to visit, they stick out like sore thumbs with their backward baseball caps and overweight gait. Irish people laugh at and ridicule "Irish-Americans" because you ARE NOT Irish! You are American!


Gee that's a very "worldly" and "sophisticated" opinion.CrazyCrazyCrazyCrazyCrazy

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By MikeyCNY - Aug 16, 2007, 8:39 AM
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I've also spent a lot of time in Brooklyn and Staten Island.I thought the Italo-Americans in Bayonne acted more Italian than those in either borough.None of them could compare with the North Enders.


Yeah, because Bayonne is so "old world". LOL. Idiot.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By eeka - Aug 16, 2007, 10:30 AM
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In Reply To
I think someone doesn't know how to use "in reply to."


HEE

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Sarcastic Sam - Aug 16, 2007, 10:37 AM
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In Reply To

if the Italians in North End are anything like the Joey Guidos in New York/New Jersey, then no, North End does not have "real" Italians anymore than South Boston has "real" Irish. and they, too, are laughed at and ridiculed if they ever happen to travel to Italy....because much to their surprise, Italians don't prance around in muscle shirts showing off their roid-juiced muscles, calling everyone "paisan", wearing huge stainless-steel crucifixes and sporting fake tans. They then notice that everyone seems to be staring at them intently. Some people are scowling. ZOMG!! They must be playa-haterz!! Other people are pointing at them and laughing openly.


Mike, I disagree with some of what you've posted in this thread, but this part is SPOT ON. My parents and grandparents are New Yorkers and beyond that I'm of 100% Italian extraction also. I've been to NY/NJ and seen the Guido factor in full force. These people think The Sopranos might as well take place in Rome it's so authentic to them. If they ever did show up in Italy with their wifebeater shirts and pinky rings, they'd be scratching their head in disbelief (with the hand that isn't grabbing their crotch).

When I went to Italy I was given political literature by the locals, now that's the ultimate compliment when they think you're a registered voter. Maybe it's because I didn't wear a baseball cap & running shoes and eat at McDonalds.

As for real Italians in the North End, they do exist, scattered among the Guidos and yuppies who are predominant in that section of town. Most are over 70 years old, hang out on the sidewalk and chatter in either Sicilian or Neapolitan Dialect (I'm not fluent myself, thanks to my grandparents never teaching my parents The Language).

My experience in South Boston is more limited, but I can tell you there are some real Irish there. I've seen them, and heard their accents--they're real Irish, but they are not predominant in Southie. In fact I'd venture to guess that more people originally from Ireland live in Dorchester and maybe some parts of Brighton than in South Boston.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Sarcastic Sam - Aug 16, 2007, 10:39 AM
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I've been to Italy on a number of occasions and had trouble convincing The natives that I wasn't of Italian extraction.I wasn't even trying to act Italian....


Fred, perhaps it's because you appreciate good food & wine, know how to order food in an Italian restaurant.....or maybe you flirted a lot with the ladies.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Fred Sennott - Aug 16, 2007, 8:24 PM
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Your giving my secrets away.The ladies were quite pretty.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By townies3 - Aug 27, 2007, 12:11 PM
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Charlestown is a close knit Irish Catholic enclave just north of Boston. Of course like every other neighborhood of Boston, there is an invasion of yuppies. Townies - people who were born and raised in Charlestown, and have irish decent - make up about 60-70% of the population in Charlestown still. There are still many people in Charlestown that are from Ireland, a lot of grandmothers still go to the corner store and talk gaelic, but recently there has been another wave of college-aged people that have been settling in Charlestown from Ireland. Charlestown has always had a huge connection with Ireland. It's still present today, sense most of the townie families have cousins coming from Donegal and Cork. Charlestown backed the IRA sending money, men, and guns. There was also the "Charlestown Rose" contest which sent a girl from Charlestown to Ireland etc. In this one-sqaure mile neighborhood, everyone is family, everyone sticks up for each other, mother's still sit on the stoop, we probably have the most distinct boston accent, and once you walk through the "townie" parts of the neighborhood (not the yuppie infested which is start to becoming known for which is sad because the yuppies don't care about our traditions) you truly get a hint of irish charm.

There has been a documentery out about Charlestown called the "Green Square Mile - the story of the Charlestown Irish" you can purchase it at Saint Francis de Sales Rectory on Bunker Hill St., Doherty's Flower shop on Main St., and Pat's Barber Shop near the Training Field.

If you purchase that i also highly suggest purchasing the Bunker Hill Pipe Band's new cd (they are a townie pipe band from Charlestown and are now the offical bag pipe band of the Dropkick Murphy's - they're wicked good!) You can also purchase the cd at Saint Francis de Sales Rectory or at Saint Catherine's of Siena or Saint Mary's rectory.

While your in Charlestown you should purchase a "townie hoodie" You can get the original townie shirts that have been sold since the 30 and 40's at the Red Store on Saturday and Sunday Mornings. The Red Store is located at the corner of Bunker Hill and Monument Streets. The hoodies have a shamrock in the middle with townies across, or you can purchase one with the monument, with a shamrock in the middle and townies over it. The townie hoodies have nothing to do with crime, since the police now think "townies" are a gang, it's not its just a culture and a people, and since the rest of Boston think we're all violent and crazy due to our crazy past of Irish Gang wars, Forced Busing, White Flight, Code of Silence, and now the racism against spanish people.

Anyways, Charlestown didn't forget it's Irish Roots, but don't get me wrong, we're all proud to be American!

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Johnny - Sep 4, 2007, 5:39 PM
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There are lots of Irish activities in greater Boston year round. Check out www.irishmassachusetts.com, which lists various Irish cultural events (as well as non-Irish events) plus pubs, gift shops, etc. The Boston Irish community is a combination of Irish immigrants who have moved here either temporarily or permanently, alongside Irish-Americans. Check out a music session at the Burren if you want something really authentic. Have fun!

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Fred Sennott - Jun 2, 2008, 9:41 PM
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Goodnight.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By JohnnyJoeO'Cuirc - Sep 22, 2009, 3:18 PM
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My opinion based on observation, the irish are the most racist group of people on earth. even the KKK dont like the irish


You stupid bastard!! The KKK is a poorly informed group of rednecks who stand against anyone who isn't white protestant. Last time I checked, Real Irish were Catholics, hence the KKK not inviting us to take part in their celebration of unadulterated hate and violence.
By the way, I'm interested to know what theory you base your statement that "the Irish are the most racist group of people on earth" on?

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By JohnnyJoeO'Cuirc - Sep 22, 2009, 3:20 PM
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The Irish Embassay is closed or is closing soon, it's going to be a "Coyote Ugly" bar, named after that stupid movie which has a chain of these bars in other cities.

The movie was actually made about a bar that was already in existance in New Jersey.

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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Fred Sennott - Sep 22, 2009, 8:08 PM
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Many years ago when I was in the "Brown Shoe Army" a redneck told me that the three Ks stood for three things they hate the most.Koons <kikes And Katlicks.
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Re: The Irish in Boston

By Sparky - Oct 18, 2009, 6:14 PM
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Thanks Fred!


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